Jerry doesn't really need to ask permission from Marlene, it's his hospital, he could just do it, but he needs to to feel okay about it Marlene needs to do the same with the only other parent figure Ellie has left
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Replying to @arthur_affect @MudDude4 and
Except she doesn't really ask for permission: she immediately put an armed guard under Joel's back and tell him to walk or he'll get shot.
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Replying to @Laurent_Weppe @arthur_affect and
Which is both dishonest and foolish given how violent and nasty Joel can be. Had Ellie died and Joel lived It would have ended with Joel murdering as many Firefly as he could.
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Replying to @Laurent_Weppe @arthur_affect and
I wouldn't even find it unbelievable if Joel destroyed any and all work on a vaccine as a final act of spite.
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Replying to @Laurent_Weppe @arthur_affect and
I would. Joel isn't spiteful! Again, for all Tommy says Joel made him violent, Tommy is the only one we see take revenge for Sarah! Before any of that!
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and
Tony guns down a soldier who's shooting his and his wounded niece. That's not revenge, that's self-defense.
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Replying to @Laurent_Weppe @arthur_affect and
Sure. I'm just saying, the fact that there is no evidence either of them pulled a TLOU2 type crusade into the interior of Austin to dispatch the guy who ordered Sarah killed indicates Joel is not innately vengeful, and literally nothing about his character deals w vengeance
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @Laurent_Weppe and
Like "survival" is Joel's thing. The revenge theme of 2 is NEW. I think it's VERY clear Joel cannot survive without Ellie at the end, which is why he makes the choice he does. If she were dead I think he would probably still attack, yes, but he'd die quickly and on purpose
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @Laurent_Weppe and
(it interestingly occurs to me that the final level of TLOU has the same morality as the Matrix final battle: the enemy wants our friend's brain, and rather than sacrifice him for the greater good, we're going to do an Uncomfortable White Man Shooting Spree)
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Only The Matrix doesn't give us any sense of moral ambiguity here, even though the movie has clearly established all the guards mown down in the lobby scene are ignorant humans
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Laurent_Weppe and
I mean, doesn't simply pointing out that they're humans who don't know anything do that?
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and
They didn't have to highlight that but they did
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