It's a bit of a problem only because the ending of TLOU 1 is strained and doesn't really support leaning on its mechanics so much. I mean, there's technically no reason they couldn't have waited for Ellie to die of natural causes and harvest the fungus *then*.
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...Because that could take like 60 years?
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I mean, yeah, but a as a chain of events the fact that it is possible makes not asking for Ellie's consent weirder. And that's before they decided to tell Joel before they did it. It's just hard to build a whole franchise on that one poorly designed event.
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I mean is it really so hard to believe that, especially given the dialogue from the audio logs in 1 and in the flashbacks in 2, that the Fireflies were tired of violence for a noble goal and just wanted to do one more atrocity and be finished?
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Well, yeah, but then why is she alive on the table when Joel arrives? Just kill her and take the thing, lie about what happened later. Or ask her first and only do that if she says no. It can be hand-waved in the moment, but the mechanics of the moment are flimsy in retrospect.
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If you've already decided to kill her no matter what, waking her up to tell her about it is both a cruel and an unacceptably risky act Morally it only compounds your sins (now you're a murderer *and* a liar and, if she says no and you kill her anyway, an oathbreaker)
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The big issue here is Marlene deciding to tell Joel, which is a smaller risk - and act of cruelty - because she can't silence that pang of selfish conscience, she "owes it to him"
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One angle I read into this scene is that no one is totally comfortable with this act of murder - why would they be - and, as humans do, they need to burden someone else with the guilt to reassure themselves they're making the right decision
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Jerry doesn't really need to ask permission from Marlene, it's his hospital, he could just do it, but he needs to to feel okay about it Marlene needs to do the same with the only other parent figure Ellie has left
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People don't always act rationally, but if you have to fill in that many blanks I'm gonna say there isn't enough in the text to convey that
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Most of this is text though, both Jerry and Marlene actually say the part about how he doesn't really need her permission but he's choosing to ask for her support as the Fireflies' nominal leader She says she doesn't have to tell Joel but she "owes it to him"
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Well, yeah, retroactively, and that scene is the one I don't think works. It comes across as justifying a hole rather than following the characters in their actions. You don't need that exchange as written if the original ending works.
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It's not justifying a hole, the scene between Marlene and Jerry, and Marlene's reasoning for telling Joel, are described in the recorders in the final mission of the first game
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