Switched at rebirth is a pretty fun trope yes
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent
I know you've pointed out it kind of defeats the purpose of the way the Kuei-Jin are written but I really do like how Kalliyan in the mod is like "yeah I OD'ed next to this thot and I came back as the thot"
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @loudpenitent
Yeah it's a uniquely guilt-inducing idea, it's very true to the whole idea that Kuei-jin exist because of karma and ironic punishment and whatnot (as opposed to Kindred just being a kind of infection)
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Also a very Fictionmania kind of thing
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Honestly the whole cod-Orientalism of Kuei-jin is less interesting to me than that they exist to fully cover the bases of *Western* vampires Like the idea of the Clans is to give you a way to play every different "kind of vampire", sure
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But the whole basic nature of the setting is that it mandates a specific, fairly modern origin story for vampirism (something you're turned into by infection) and not the much older idea that vampires rise from the grave due to their unreconciled sins
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
Honestly I kinda feel like this is a huge problem with almost ALL the splats of the WoD, you know? In a lot of cases it's attempting to take a fairly specific archetype and create an entire autonomous diverse world out of it.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @Nymphomachy
Vampire is the one that's most like this because it's a really cool and iconic idea The thing about the other gamelines is they actually get a lot less iconic and a lot weirder pretty quickly Like Werewolves don't even occur by being bitten, that's just discarded
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
Yeah but the thing is that werewolves are also really kinda boring. Like all the *weird* bits around werewolves in both forms of the WoD have, it feels to me, very little to do with the central aesthetic motif of turns-into-furry, bc it's...not a very flexible one.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @Nymphomachy
If you completely drop the idea that lycanthropy is a curse that reveals something dark about your inner nature -- which they did drop because they basically plumbed that well with Vampire -- then you really don't have a "classic werewolf" story at all
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Which is fine, whatever It's the same as Mage completely embracing the whole trippy "Postmodern Magick" stuff
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
Kinda boring, though. A lot of the WoD gamelines just don't strike me as that evocative.
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Idk, it's weird that WoD is so determined to make vampires, specifically, the Absolute Worst.
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