Many villains and disgruntled children complain about being "enslaved" by their parents and/or society in some fashion even when the story does not intend or create a metaphor for slavery though?
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Replying to @FartCaptor @nberlat and
I just don't see it. Even if we consider Jarvis to be sentient before he's used to create Vision, there's no point where he is constrained in any way or forced to do anything? He'd be an unpaid intern at worst, but he has no use for money
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Replying to @FartCaptor @arthur_affect and
??? his entire life is serving Stark. Yes, he's happy to do it, just like enslaved people in GWTW are happy to serve.
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Replying to @nberlat @FartCaptor and
Yeah I agree Noah has a point here, Jarvis is obviously based on a human butler both in- and out-of-universe And even if real life people with those jobs aren't always overtly suffering the Jeeves stereotype of someone who genuinely loves being a servant is politically charged
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
I guess the real question then is about Human Jarvis, as much as anything. I mean, you can almost reasonably assume RoboJarvis has his exact personality, so where does that leave us?
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Replying to @mssilverstein @nberlat and
We meet Real Jarvis (Edwin Jarvis, played by James D'Arcy) in Agent Carter and briefly in Endgame (finally making him "movie-level canon") He's not really much like the AI JARVIS except for being British
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein and
Like, Tony clearly has memories of having had a British butler from when he was a small child but nothing specific enough to actually base his AI interface on him in detail
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein and
(The real Jarvis was a somewhat fussy and neurotic C-3PO kind of guy, although it wore off as the series progressed And, I mean, C-3PO is a joke about how silly it would be to program a personality like that into a machine)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
Yeah fair - but like, the loyalty to Team Stark is there, and now he's got a second life that's just as loyal. That's an odd thing.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @arthur_affect and
Or at least, in the context of superhero movies, the devotedly loyal assistant is basically a trope; there's never really any question of if Alfred has a life outside of serving Bruce Wayne that he cares about, etc.
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In the comics Tony's butler still is the human Edwin Jarvis, who also worked for his father They specifically changed this when writing Iron Man 1 because it's extremely derivative of Alfred and they really didn't want to get directly compared to Batman
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein and
I mean that's the thing of course, in the comics Tony Stark really is just one of many, many variant Bruce Wayne clones in comics and RDJ and Favreau added a lot of characterization to make him distinct and memorable
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