fwiw, rereading my piece about this, I was reminded that Ultron literally calls Vision a slave at the end.
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Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and
And yet Tony clearly does not have the power to keep Vision enslaved Later on when Wanda wants him to run away with her he just does
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
I think it's dicey to treat all the films as a single narrative in that way. I don't think they're that coherent.
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Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect and
the point is that you've been saying there's no textual evidence to support the idea that Ultron and Jarvis are metaphors for slavery. but Ultron obviously thinks of himself as having been enslaved.
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Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect and
Many villains and disgruntled children complain about being "enslaved" by their parents and/or society in some fashion even when the story does not intend or create a metaphor for slavery though?
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Replying to @FartCaptor @nberlat and
I just don't see it. Even if we consider Jarvis to be sentient before he's used to create Vision, there's no point where he is constrained in any way or forced to do anything? He'd be an unpaid intern at worst, but he has no use for money
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Replying to @FartCaptor @arthur_affect and
??? his entire life is serving Stark. Yes, he's happy to do it, just like enslaved people in GWTW are happy to serve.
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Replying to @nberlat @FartCaptor and
Yeah I agree Noah has a point here, Jarvis is obviously based on a human butler both in- and out-of-universe And even if real life people with those jobs aren't always overtly suffering the Jeeves stereotype of someone who genuinely loves being a servant is politically charged
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
I guess the real question then is about Human Jarvis, as much as anything. I mean, you can almost reasonably assume RoboJarvis has his exact personality, so where does that leave us?
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Replying to @mssilverstein @nberlat and
We meet Real Jarvis (Edwin Jarvis, played by James D'Arcy) in Agent Carter and briefly in Endgame (finally making him "movie-level canon") He's not really much like the AI JARVIS except for being British
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Like, Tony clearly has memories of having had a British butler from when he was a small child but nothing specific enough to actually base his AI interface on him in detail
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein and
(The real Jarvis was a somewhat fussy and neurotic C-3PO kind of guy, although it wore off as the series progressed And, I mean, C-3PO is a joke about how silly it would be to program a personality like that into a machine)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein and
(They got Bettany to play JARVIS/Vision because of his ability to project this contrasting affect of superhuman certainty and calm)
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