To me this is very different from a story where Ultron is a rebellious servant Ultron is even a metaphor for having a bastard - Tony did not intentionally create him in any real sense, he's an accident caused by his carelessness
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
Tony had no involvement with his "upbringing" at all, much less exploiting him as a servant Tony doesn't find out he exists until he's "grown", as an unpleasant confrontation with an adult demanding his inheritance
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
fwiw, rereading my piece about this, I was reminded that Ultron literally calls Vision a slave at the end.
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Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and
And yet Tony clearly does not have the power to keep Vision enslaved Later on when Wanda wants him to run away with her he just does
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
I think it's dicey to treat all the films as a single narrative in that way. I don't think they're that coherent.
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Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect and
the point is that you've been saying there's no textual evidence to support the idea that Ultron and Jarvis are metaphors for slavery. but Ultron obviously thinks of himself as having been enslaved.
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Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect and
Many villains and disgruntled children complain about being "enslaved" by their parents and/or society in some fashion even when the story does not intend or create a metaphor for slavery though?
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Replying to @FartCaptor @nberlat and
I just don't see it. Even if we consider Jarvis to be sentient before he's used to create Vision, there's no point where he is constrained in any way or forced to do anything? He'd be an unpaid intern at worst, but he has no use for money
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Replying to @FartCaptor @arthur_affect and
??? his entire life is serving Stark. Yes, he's happy to do it, just like enslaved people in GWTW are happy to serve.
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Replying to @nberlat @FartCaptor and
Yeah I agree Noah has a point here, Jarvis is obviously based on a human butler both in- and out-of-universe And even if real life people with those jobs aren't always overtly suffering the Jeeves stereotype of someone who genuinely loves being a servant is politically charged
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I just think that in the movie we got, while this theme arguably should be there and has a lot of potential to make this movie deeper, it mostly wasn't
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Replying to @arthur_affect @FartCaptor and
I think it exists in absences.
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