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Mad genius, comedian, actor, and freelance voiceover artist broadcasting from the distant shores of Lake Erie (he/him)

Broadview Heights, Ohio
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    1. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and

      I mean one obvious thing here is they're different actors with different voices They got a Brit, Paul Bettany, to play Jarvis, because he's an imitation of the "British butler" stereotype in movies (in-universe, of Howard Stark's actual butler Ed Jarvis)

      2 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
    2. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and

      Ultron is specifically not a Brit He's James Spader, in Spader's natural American accent He's not like Jarvis, he's like Jarvis' master, he's like Tony The repeated explicit comparison in the movie is he's Tony's "son"

      4 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
    3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and

      To me this is very different from a story where Ultron is a rebellious servant Ultron is even a metaphor for having a bastard - Tony did not intentionally create him in any real sense, he's an accident caused by his carelessness

      2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
    4. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and

      Tony had no involvement with his "upbringing" at all, much less exploiting him as a servant Tony doesn't find out he exists until he's "grown", as an unpleasant confrontation with an adult demanding his inheritance

      2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
    5. Noah Berlatsky‏Verified account @nberlat 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and

      fwiw, rereading my piece about this, I was reminded that Ultron literally calls Vision a slave at the end.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and

      And yet Tony clearly does not have the power to keep Vision enslaved Later on when Wanda wants him to run away with her he just does

      1 reply 1 retweet 6 likes
    7. Noah Berlatsky‏Verified account @nberlat 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and

      I think it's dicey to treat all the films as a single narrative in that way. I don't think they're that coherent.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. Noah Berlatsky‏Verified account @nberlat 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect and

      the point is that you've been saying there's no textual evidence to support the idea that Ultron and Jarvis are metaphors for slavery. but Ultron obviously thinks of himself as having been enslaved.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. Zoey  👻‏ @FartCaptor 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect and

      Many villains and disgruntled children complain about being "enslaved" by their parents and/or society in some fashion even when the story does not intend or create a metaphor for slavery though?

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    10. Zoey  👻‏ @FartCaptor 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @FartCaptor @nberlat and

      I just don't see it. Even if we consider Jarvis to be sentient before he's used to create Vision, there's no point where he is constrained in any way or forced to do anything? He'd be an unpaid intern at worst, but he has no use for money

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @FartCaptor @nberlat and

      Yeah the movie does make it very clear Vision is not actually enslaved They're all really scared when they first turn him on because they know if he turns out to be another version of Ultron there's very little they can do

      11:30 PM - 4 Aug 2020
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        2. Zoey  👻‏ @FartCaptor 5 Aug 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and

          I mean, Tony doesn't even make an ATTEMPT. Like sure they couldn't have overpowered him, but Tony didn't even attempt to program any kind of restraints. He merely attempted to construct a mind that would be predisposed towards benevolence

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        3. Zoey  👻‏ @FartCaptor 5 Aug 2020
          Replying to @FartCaptor @arthur_affect and

          I guess it's possible that if Ultron had not emerged on his own before Tony could create him, he would've ended up a slave to Tony's programming, since Tony might not have realized he'd created something w/ self-awareness and a will of its own

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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        2. Noah Berlatsky‏Verified account @nberlat 5 Aug 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @FartCaptor and

          He's Jarvis, Jarvis was a thing Tony owned. they're afraid to turn him on because he might be angry about that, just as Ultron was. but it turns out he's a good one. Ultron tries to raise his consciousness, but Vision rejects solidarity, and kills him.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Amelia Parody Account (but also her real account)‏ @autogynamelia 5 Aug 2020
          Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect and

          This comparison is, as others have already pointed out, unbelievably offensive and dehumanizing toward the very people you're implicitly claiming to stand up for.

          0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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