does it though? does Jarvis have a grievance? I think he does. making his double the one who acts on that grievance doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect and
like, confederate propaganda shows loyal servants. does that mean that the confederates are just?
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Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and
I am not saying you could not have a robot rebellion story or such a story would be bad, I'm saying you do not have one in this movie as it was actually made
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
you've got a robot servant. then you've got that servant's double, who tries to kill the person in charge.
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Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and
I do not read Ultron this way at all, he does not come off in any sense as Jarvis' double, the first thing we see him do is violently murder Jarvis in an unprovoked rage
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
I mean one obvious thing here is they're different actors with different voices They got a Brit, Paul Bettany, to play Jarvis, because he's an imitation of the "British butler" stereotype in movies (in-universe, of Howard Stark's actual butler Ed Jarvis)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
Ultron is specifically not a Brit He's James Spader, in Spader's natural American accent He's not like Jarvis, he's like Jarvis' master, he's like Tony The repeated explicit comparison in the movie is he's Tony's "son"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
To me this is very different from a story where Ultron is a rebellious servant Ultron is even a metaphor for having a bastard - Tony did not intentionally create him in any real sense, he's an accident caused by his carelessness
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
Tony had no involvement with his "upbringing" at all, much less exploiting him as a servant Tony doesn't find out he exists until he's "grown", as an unpleasant confrontation with an adult demanding his inheritance
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
fwiw, rereading my piece about this, I was reminded that Ultron literally calls Vision a slave at the end.
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And yet Tony clearly does not have the power to keep Vision enslaved Later on when Wanda wants him to run away with her he just does
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
I think it's dicey to treat all the films as a single narrative in that way. I don't think they're that coherent.
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Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect and
the point is that you've been saying there's no textual evidence to support the idea that Ultron and Jarvis are metaphors for slavery. but Ultron obviously thinks of himself as having been enslaved.
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