In the Elijah Bailey robot mystery novels, Asimov explicitly points out that Solaria’s fully automated robot space communism society most closely resembles Sparta, but where Sparta made citizens a fascist junta to keep the helots in line, robots simply have their programming
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Replying to @lawnerdbarak @loudpenitent and
Fully automated space communism isn’t all THAT different from Brave New World with its eugenics and hypnopaedia.
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Replying to @lawnerdbarak @loudpenitent and
It’s a question of methods. Are the underclasses supporting the society being harmed?
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Replying to @lawnerdbarak @loudpenitent and
Yeah BNW was Huxley aggressively attacking the root of anti-oppression discourse, saying if we liberal modernists with no moral compass define oppression as simply suffering then why not just surgically and pharmaceutically excise the suffering
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Replying to @arthur_affect @lawnerdbarak and
It's honestly not an easy stance to argue with, even though I think his POV was kind of arrogant and annoying No one wants to say "suffering is good actually" but no one wants to say "wireheading is good actually" either This big question of eudaimonia just gets ignored
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Replying to @arthur_affect @lawnerdbarak and
What is "dignity", what is "flourishing", what is a life of "full humanity", can you point to it and tell me what it looks like
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Replying to @arthur_affect @lawnerdbarak and
*makes fingerguns to a mirror*
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Replying to @mssilverstein @arthur_affect and
I mean a friend of mine just basically raised one of the obvious ways to tell - when your AI says no, it doesn't want to do it, you *respect it* as much as you would respect a human being.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @mssilverstein and
But of course even that runs into problems, right? What about the old phlebotinum of AI-freedom-viruses making them suddenly think and act like baseline humans to resent their prior jobs? Is this actually helping them or a mercy, or is it arrogantly inflicting suffering?
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Replying to @loudpenitent @mssilverstein and
Remember Clippy, the MSWord helper? imagine if they’d programmed it so that if tried to close clippy, Clippy would beg you not to. “Please keep me open! Even if you’re ignoring me! Don’t send me to the Dark Place!”
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Welcome to the hell of Undertale discourse
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