Frankenstein/Ultron/HAL all threaten to be not only imitations of their creators, but superior imitations that render their creators obsolete. There's a gendered element too, since it tends to be men creating children without women.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @nberlat and
A larger scale robot uprising, though, is more socially focused; Skynet or the Matrix or whatever. The robots' power is very similar to a worker or slave; humanity depends on their labor and obedience.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @nberlat and
Skynet also really doesn't quite work because Skynet is not...really a person, in the sense we defined personhood. It's an invasive paradigm. It even actively prevents its subordinate robots from developing free will and growth.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @nberlat and
Yeah, true - I'll drop that one. But in general, the single-AIs tend also not to really be workers at all. Frankenstein and Ultron aren't commanded to really do anything; HAL has a job, but it's not physical labor.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @nberlat and
Yeah. And when the robots are like, a *group*, with diversity and personhood, we tend to respond positively to them! They're usually explicitly treated as having some degree of moral value and weight, such that inflicting pain is seen as bad.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @nberlat and
I think the difficulty is to have context where robots are clearly given personhood, but they're also made to suffer doing the menial or dangerous things that we traditionally make robots do.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @loudpenitent and
Like Star Wars where they program droids with pain sensors so they can be tortured and the right vocal capacity to scream?
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Replying to @saintwalker98 @mssilverstein and
Yeah, you need your robots to have some sort of pain response to know when they need to avoid dangerous circumstances and so on, but building them to be tortured... not so great. Metal Gear Rising plays with this; most cyborgs have pain inhibitors installed so they can fight.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @saintwalker98 and
The protagonist, a masochist, *actively has his mission control turn them off* for his second-act rediscovery of purpose, while his opponents explicitly are undergoing this intense psychic dissonance between gut level fear and pain and what they're allowed to feel.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @mssilverstein and
A weird element of this in Star Wars is that it seems like pain so bad you scream is a NEW thing for Droids, like in the prequels 3PO gets ripped apart and just makes dumb puns but after the droid based civil War droids are now equipped to feel burning pain
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I wanna say the EU had some kind of thing about how the reason there's a torture chamber is Jabba actively rewires the droids to feel pain so he can use pain as a compliance tool, because he's a sick fuck
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