robots as stand in for class tensions has been a consisten theme since R.U.R. It's not like that ever stopped being a dominant way to think about robot stories.
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Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and
It's definitely the originator of robots in fiction, but robots are real now! I think there's been something of a shift here, and we don't quite know what to do with it.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @nberlat and
I mean, what is HAL? By that point, we're already starting to see robots as superiors rather than serfs. We rebel against them, and they fight back.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @nberlat and
Hell, HAL suffers *because he wasn't allowed to do his job right*. HAL was *perfectly well-intended*, it was his superiors' fault for placing two irreconcilable axioms in front of him.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @mssilverstein and
HAL is an example of an entirely believable hypothetical - that by DENYING this AI the ability to fulfill its elemental imperatives, you are *hurting it*. The elemental imperatives of a human being are air, food, comfort, shelter, leisure, etc. AI do not share all of these!
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Replying to @loudpenitent @mssilverstein and
This is not a hypothetical that resembles the condition of human beings in any way.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @mssilverstein and
In the Elijah Bailey robot mystery novels, Asimov explicitly points out that Solaria’s fully automated robot space communism society most closely resembles Sparta, but where Sparta made citizens a fascist junta to keep the helots in line, robots simply have their programming
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Replying to @lawnerdbarak @loudpenitent and
Fully automated space communism isn’t all THAT different from Brave New World with its eugenics and hypnopaedia.
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Replying to @lawnerdbarak @loudpenitent and
It’s a question of methods. Are the underclasses supporting the society being harmed?
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Replying to @lawnerdbarak @loudpenitent and
Yeah BNW was Huxley aggressively attacking the root of anti-oppression discourse, saying if we liberal modernists with no moral compass define oppression as simply suffering then why not just surgically and pharmaceutically excise the suffering
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It's honestly not an easy stance to argue with, even though I think his POV was kind of arrogant and annoying No one wants to say "suffering is good actually" but no one wants to say "wireheading is good actually" either This big question of eudaimonia just gets ignored
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Replying to @arthur_affect @lawnerdbarak and
What is "dignity", what is "flourishing", what is a life of "full humanity", can you point to it and tell me what it looks like
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Replying to @arthur_affect @lawnerdbarak and
*makes fingerguns to a mirror*
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