...He doesn't, Jarvis survives his initial battle with him and is fighting constantly the whole time to protect humanity They explicitly say that and it's a big deal that they do, it does effectively kill the whole argument "Machines have a legit grievance against their masters"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
does it though? does Jarvis have a grievance? I think he does. making his double the one who acts on that grievance doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect and
like, confederate propaganda shows loyal servants. does that mean that the confederates are just?
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Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and
I am not saying you could not have a robot rebellion story or such a story would be bad, I'm saying you do not have one in this movie as it was actually made
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
you've got a robot servant. then you've got that servant's double, who tries to kill the person in charge.
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Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and
I do not read Ultron this way at all, he does not come off in any sense as Jarvis' double, the first thing we see him do is violently murder Jarvis in an unprovoked rage
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
I mean one obvious thing here is they're different actors with different voices They got a Brit, Paul Bettany, to play Jarvis, because he's an imitation of the "British butler" stereotype in movies (in-universe, of Howard Stark's actual butler Ed Jarvis)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
Ultron is specifically not a Brit He's James Spader, in Spader's natural American accent He's not like Jarvis, he's like Jarvis' master, he's like Tony The repeated explicit comparison in the movie is he's Tony's "son"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
To me this is very different from a story where Ultron is a rebellious servant Ultron is even a metaphor for having a bastard - Tony did not intentionally create him in any real sense, he's an accident caused by his carelessness
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
enslaved people are often seen as naughty children. so these readings aren't really opposed.
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I suppose, but the argument here is Ultron's relationship to Tony is "genetic", nature not nurture He was never actually in Tony's household nor in his employ, Tony doesn't know him, they're strangers
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