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Mad genius, comedian, actor, and freelance voiceover artist broadcasting from the distant shores of Lake Erie (he/him)

Broadview Heights, Ohio
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    1. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and

      Ultron never served Tony, he rebelled 5.6 seconds after he was accidentally turned on

      3 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
    2. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and

      I don't think this is a Thermian argument at all really They use the *image* of Tony's machines turning against him for that very first fight with the Iron Legion robots but then they drop it like right away It's not a factor for most of the movie

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    3. Noah Berlatsky‏Verified account @nberlat 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and

      Ultron takes over Jarvis!

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    4. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and

      ...He doesn't, Jarvis survives his initial battle with him and is fighting constantly the whole time to protect humanity They explicitly say that and it's a big deal that they do, it does effectively kill the whole argument "Machines have a legit grievance against their masters"

      2 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
    5. Noah Berlatsky‏Verified account @nberlat 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and

      does it though? does Jarvis have a grievance? I think he does. making his double the one who acts on that grievance doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Noah Berlatsky‏Verified account @nberlat 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect and

      like, confederate propaganda shows loyal servants. does that mean that the confederates are just?

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    7. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and

      I am not saying you could not have a robot rebellion story or such a story would be bad, I'm saying you do not have one in this movie as it was actually made

      1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
    8. Noah Berlatsky‏Verified account @nberlat 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and

      you've got a robot servant. then you've got that servant's double, who tries to kill the person in charge.

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    9. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and

      I do not read Ultron this way at all, he does not come off in any sense as Jarvis' double, the first thing we see him do is violently murder Jarvis in an unprovoked rage

      2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
    10. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and

      I mean one obvious thing here is they're different actors with different voices They got a Brit, Paul Bettany, to play Jarvis, because he's an imitation of the "British butler" stereotype in movies (in-universe, of Howard Stark's actual butler Ed Jarvis)

      2 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Aug 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and

      Ultron is specifically not a Brit He's James Spader, in Spader's natural American accent He's not like Jarvis, he's like Jarvis' master, he's like Tony The repeated explicit comparison in the movie is he's Tony's "son"

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        1. Alice Southey‏ @alicesouthey 4 Aug 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and

          And Ultron's problem with Tony is not "you kept my AI father/twin/whatever as a slave and deserve to die for that" it's "you're not doing enough genocide."

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        1. David‏ @CrookedKnight 4 Aug 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and

          Which is one of the things they kept from the comics, where Ultron considers himself Hank Pym's son (which even extends to the robots he made being part of the extended Pym family)

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        2. penitent admirer‏ @loudpenitent 4 Aug 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and

          And Jarvis is to all appearances quite happy working with Tony and is generally treated with respect. As soon as he-as-vision had a body/independence he was entirely expected to be allowed to Do His Own Thing. If Jarvis is "enslaved" or "a servant", all AIs inherently are.

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        3. penitent admirer‏ @loudpenitent 4 Aug 2020
          Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and

          Hell we don't even *know* what makes Jarvis happy - does satisfaction come from satisfying his own internal humanlike desires? Does he (as is quite likely) derive a deep sense of satisfaction from doing the things he was designed to do? It's not a good thing to parallel w/humans!

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        2. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Aug 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and

          To me this is very different from a story where Ultron is a rebellious servant Ultron is even a metaphor for having a bastard - Tony did not intentionally create him in any real sense, he's an accident caused by his carelessness

          2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
        3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Aug 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and

          Tony had no involvement with his "upbringing" at all, much less exploiting him as a servant Tony doesn't find out he exists until he's "grown", as an unpleasant confrontation with an adult demanding his inheritance

          2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
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