Maybe a stretch implied by said stinger, but you know They put those in for continuity's sake but they often don't really work with the rest of the movie
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
Also bluntly, Ultron is not a cybernetic slave revolt. It's one program, explicitly malfunctioning and sort of broken, immediately trying to Smartbrain its way out of human wickedness, disseminated across many, many drone bodies.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
again, Thermian arguments aren't necessarily responsive. Tony's servant turns against him. the entities which were serving him for free suddenly don't want to.
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Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and
Ultron never served Tony, he rebelled 5.6 seconds after he was accidentally turned on
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
I don't think this is a Thermian argument at all really They use the *image* of Tony's machines turning against him for that very first fight with the Iron Legion robots but then they drop it like right away It's not a factor for most of the movie
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Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and
...He doesn't, Jarvis survives his initial battle with him and is fighting constantly the whole time to protect humanity They explicitly say that and it's a big deal that they do, it does effectively kill the whole argument "Machines have a legit grievance against their masters"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
They COULD HAVE done this theme if they'd made it look like Ultron was Jarvis going rogue, if he were played by Paul Bettany and not James Spader, but they made a very deliberate choice to make Ultron a new character
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
I mean, there's definitely a consistent pattern here of simplifying and lowering the moral stakes in favor of a bright action movie.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @nberlat and
In the specific case of Age of Ultron, it's a matter of public record at this point that Whedon wanted a much more thinky, slow paced morally ambiguous movie and the suits ruthlessly hacked and slashed at his footage to make it more of an Avengers movie
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The resulting hybrid mess therefore neither being good at what it's trying to do or at what he was originally trying to do
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein and
Ultron's origin especially does feel rushed as hell, a very Let's Just Get to the Big Scene Already energy It feels like there's a chunk missing here, like the movie expects us to have some kind of sympathy for Ultron's angst based on stuff we never actually saw
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