Thanos isn't in that movie until the stinger If your interpretation here is that Ultron was being controlled by Thanos or acting on his behalf I think that's a stretch
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
Maybe a stretch implied by said stinger, but you know They put those in for continuity's sake but they often don't really work with the rest of the movie
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
Also bluntly, Ultron is not a cybernetic slave revolt. It's one program, explicitly malfunctioning and sort of broken, immediately trying to Smartbrain its way out of human wickedness, disseminated across many, many drone bodies.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
again, Thermian arguments aren't necessarily responsive. Tony's servant turns against him. the entities which were serving him for free suddenly don't want to.
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Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and
Ultron never served Tony, he rebelled 5.6 seconds after he was accidentally turned on
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
I don't think this is a Thermian argument at all really They use the *image* of Tony's machines turning against him for that very first fight with the Iron Legion robots but then they drop it like right away It's not a factor for most of the movie
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Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and
...He doesn't, Jarvis survives his initial battle with him and is fighting constantly the whole time to protect humanity They explicitly say that and it's a big deal that they do, it does effectively kill the whole argument "Machines have a legit grievance against their masters"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
does it though? does Jarvis have a grievance? I think he does. making his double the one who acts on that grievance doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect and
like, confederate propaganda shows loyal servants. does that mean that the confederates are just?
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I am not saying you could not have a robot rebellion story or such a story would be bad, I'm saying you do not have one in this movie as it was actually made
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
you've got a robot servant. then you've got that servant's double, who tries to kill the person in charge.
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Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect and
do you root for the billionaire? or do you root for person created as a shadowy alter ego embodying the resentment of the billionaire's serf?
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