(The Chitauri explicitly WERE presented as a species and/or culture who were all Chaotic Evil Space Orcs and the new idea of the Children of Thanos was a deliberate revision)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
Hell, the Chitauri are basically a bunch of cyborgs who might well be reanimated corpses for all we know seeing as they die instantly when the connection to their ship is severed. And the Outriders are mindless engineered flesh-drones.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
Avengers Ultron shows Thanos engineering a cyborg slave revolt, yes? Cyborgs/robot narratives have a difficult history as well...
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Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and
Thanos isn't in that movie until the stinger If your interpretation here is that Ultron was being controlled by Thanos or acting on his behalf I think that's a stretch
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
Maybe a stretch implied by said stinger, but you know They put those in for continuity's sake but they often don't really work with the rest of the movie
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
Also bluntly, Ultron is not a cybernetic slave revolt. It's one program, explicitly malfunctioning and sort of broken, immediately trying to Smartbrain its way out of human wickedness, disseminated across many, many drone bodies.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
again, Thermian arguments aren't necessarily responsive. Tony's servant turns against him. the entities which were serving him for free suddenly don't want to.
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Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and
Ultron never served Tony, he rebelled 5.6 seconds after he was accidentally turned on
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
I don't think this is a Thermian argument at all really They use the *image* of Tony's machines turning against him for that very first fight with the Iron Legion robots but then they drop it like right away It's not a factor for most of the movie
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
This is why the movie ends up feeling kind of weak The problem in this movie absolutely SHOULD BE that Tony has to live without all his shiny toys now, his tech has turned against him, tech is now the enemy But they copped out on that real quick
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The Iron Man suit itself isn't infected with Ultron's virus because uhhh air gap Everyone still has whatever toys they need to have this still be an Avengers movie
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