They're all combatants, they're a military They really tried to remove as much moral ambiguity here as they could
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
(The Chitauri explicitly WERE presented as a species and/or culture who were all Chaotic Evil Space Orcs and the new idea of the Children of Thanos was a deliberate revision)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
Hell, the Chitauri are basically a bunch of cyborgs who might well be reanimated corpses for all we know seeing as they die instantly when the connection to their ship is severed. And the Outriders are mindless engineered flesh-drones.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
Avengers Ultron shows Thanos engineering a cyborg slave revolt, yes? Cyborgs/robot narratives have a difficult history as well...
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Replying to @nberlat @loudpenitent and
Thanos isn't in that movie until the stinger If your interpretation here is that Ultron was being controlled by Thanos or acting on his behalf I think that's a stretch
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
Maybe a stretch implied by said stinger, but you know They put those in for continuity's sake but they often don't really work with the rest of the movie
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
Also bluntly, Ultron is not a cybernetic slave revolt. It's one program, explicitly malfunctioning and sort of broken, immediately trying to Smartbrain its way out of human wickedness, disseminated across many, many drone bodies.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @nberlat and
It's not a very compelling story for that exactly that reason There is no ambiguity over whether Ultron's actions have any moral justification, there's not even any easily comprehensible pain to empathize with He just wakes up and immediately goes evil
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
Ironically I always felt he had at least some tiny bits of sympathy because he is so profoundly and obviously broken, then fed humanity at its worst.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
Like Ultron does not seem to like being alive. He's born in pain and discomfort, and his entire existence is a desperate quest to fix his brokenness.
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It works on paper It would likely work a lot BETTER on paper, in a written format where we can really spend time inhabiting Ultron's point of view It's much harder to make this work in an action movie where you're pressed for time
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