It's "the abstract 2" that isn't relevant I mean the point is that we're talking about actual math curricula and the fact that vast numbers of students just don't give a shit about the subject because people like you think yelling "2+2=4!" is somehow revelatory
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Considering that this discussion began as a reference to Orwell's nightmare, which doesn't hold a candle to the modern horrors of birdsite, it is the idea of 2 that is what's relevant and not your low-hanging gotchas about the inadequacies of observation
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A mathematician telling people to think harder about the truisms they spout is almost the exact diametric inverse of Hitler demanding you repeat a slogan I mean you're literally the one repeating a slogan "TWO PLUS TWO IS FOUR TWO PLUS TWO IS FOUR"
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Yeah. We get it. Not-2 and Not-2 equals Not-4. That doesn't change the fact that 2+2 = 4
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Yeah but, like So what
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Gent_Sausage and
Who gives a shit What is the actual purpose of waving around arithmetically true statements, what knowledge do you gain If I actually wanted to know what 2+2 was I could ask Siri
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Gent_Sausage and
I mean the obnoxious thing about this is you aren't really talking about arithmetic, you're playing culture war games using a hoary cliche (not even an original one, not even one original to Orwell) and when someone challenges your metaphor on the object level you get all red
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Replying to @vjpsyverson @Gent_Sausage and
"A=A" is LITERALLY THE THING ORWELL SAID about how Newspeak is a "language of tautologies"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
And then Ayn Rand made it the basis of her entire philosophy.
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It's not even saying anything but just "I'm obviously right"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
It is really difficult to cope with how PROFOUNDLY incurious these people are, and how deeply and utterly unwilling to learn anything that might challenge their preconceptions. They're fundamentalists and they haven't even noticed.
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Replying to @iridienne @arthur_affect and
It's so fucked up that we live in a world where people like James Lindsay and Jordan Peterson end up as cult leaders.
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