It's "the abstract 2" that isn't relevant I mean the point is that we're talking about actual math curricula and the fact that vast numbers of students just don't give a shit about the subject because people like you think yelling "2+2=4!" is somehow revelatory
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Considering that this discussion began as a reference to Orwell's nightmare, which doesn't hold a candle to the modern horrors of birdsite, it is the idea of 2 that is what's relevant and not your low-hanging gotchas about the inadequacies of observation
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A mathematician telling people to think harder about the truisms they spout is almost the exact diametric inverse of Hitler demanding you repeat a slogan I mean you're literally the one repeating a slogan "TWO PLUS TWO IS FOUR TWO PLUS TWO IS FOUR"
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Yeah. We get it. Not-2 and Not-2 equals Not-4. That doesn't change the fact that 2+2 = 4
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Yeah but, like So what
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Gent_Sausage and
Who gives a shit What is the actual purpose of waving around arithmetically true statements, what knowledge do you gain If I actually wanted to know what 2+2 was I could ask Siri
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The purpose is that despite the 2 in the saying being an abstract it was meant to be an example of another abstract concept (yeah I know you have trouble with those) of a universally true statement that deranged lunatics will still try to distort.
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And the point of the actual mathematician replying to this making fun of it is that this is a pointless, ridiculous thing to get heated about People in the business of defending sacred eternal verities need to get a better hobby (like making fun of those people)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Gent_Sausage and
Who gives a shit about "universally true statements" The purpose of saying words is to accomplish some kind of goal, which entirely depends on what you're doing at the moment Mathematicians know this better than anybody
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Your entire argument boils down to "observations are merely an approximation of reality" which is not novel, and in fact painfully obvious. It also has no bearing on the underlying reality which functions independently of your imperfect observations. And now for Chu's next trick:
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This may be painfully obvious and uninteresting but how much *more* uninteresting is it to go around talking about how 2+2=4 by definition (Especially from a bunch of scrubs who aren't even actually interested in the definition -- do u even set theory bro)
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Yes, as a matter of fact I have a dusty degree in Computer Science and usedtocould set theory quite well
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Cool, you could've taken Kareem Carr's tweet as a jumping off point to talk about actually interesting things then as opposed to having a tantrum about how the wokes are going to make first-graders no longer understand addition
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