The more general way to phrase what I'm talking about is "Weigh them all together" If the scale has a fudge factor then adding up separate results from it will make it worse But the "2+2=5" idea is absolutely an accurate way of describing it
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1)This whole conversation has grown wildly out of control. The original point of 2+2=5 was to draw attention to subjectivism being introduced into mathematics.
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Replying to @GhostMantis @arthur_affect and
2)Meaning that - in the particular context in which we commonly understand math (the axioms, scales, etc that are used in everyday math) 2+2 does not equal 5. Objectively speaking, in that particular context, 2+2 does not equal 5.
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Replying to @GhostMantis @arthur_affect and
To bring up other scales or axioms in which 2+2=5 is disregarding the original context -the wildly obvious context- intended. Within this particular context it is objectively true that 2+2=4. There is no room for subjectivity of any kind.
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The use of the term "subjectivism" here is culture war bullshit that's beating on a strawman, that's my whole point
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Replying to @arthur_affect @GhostMantis and
There is no such thing as a "subjectivist" or its opposite, an "objectivist", in reality If you think that's what the two sides are here you're being an asshole
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Replying to @arthur_affect @GhostMantis and
My own example of why 2+2=5 sometimes is very much about this asshole definition of "objectivity" You can prove that arithmetic as a closed system is logically consistent, you can't prove that any particular application of such a system to the real world is objectively correct
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Replying to @arthur_affect @GhostMantis and
(Actually you CAN'T prove that arithmetic is consistent using arithmetic itself, that's Gödel's second incompleteness theorem, but we don't need to get into that) Whether 2+2=4 in real life is entirely dependent on how you count and measure the four things, whatever they are
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Replying to @arthur_affect @GhostMantis and
Whether the statement "2+2=4" is true depends on what you mean by the operation "+", what set the symbols "2" and "4" come from, and the definition of the equivalence relation "=" . It's covered in any Intro to Modern Math class, which these objectivists have clearly never taken
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Replying to @KJMDPhD @arthur_affect and
Hey there, guy. If you read my entire thread I clearly stated the importance of not dropping context. I stated that in the commonly understood, everyday context wherein these symbols are clearly defined, it is objectively true.
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"In this particular subjective context among this particular class of subjects the statement is objectively true" I mean sure
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