I'm old enough to remember the brief time when "radical feminism" meant "fuck liberal feminism, I don't want more female CEOs, I don't want there to be ANY CEOs" and not just "fuck trans people".
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Replying to @autogynamelia
That's more like Marxist feminism (which back in the day was specifically a separate tradition from "radical feminism")
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Replying to @arthur_affect
Fair enough. I used to lump them together because I felt like there was more overlap between the fem theories that wanted to change the structure of society, versus the ones that wanted to maintain the existing structure and just move pieces around inside it.
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Replying to @autogynamelia
Yeah it's very fair to point out that when you ask modern TERFs "What the hell do you even WANT" they don't have much of an answer after "Ban transition" But that goes back to Janice Raymond too
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia
The thing is I think a lot of the most genuinely revolutionary stuff does in fact come out of the self-IDed "radfem" tradition -- genuine "gender abolitionism", family abolitionism, making technological solutions to childbirth an outright demand like Firestone did
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia
But it's all stuff that, while it's logically required by what "radical feminism" is -- if the oppression goes down to the root of what "men" and "women" are, then *pull up the root* -- would make most of these modern middle-class TERFs recoil in horror
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia
It's stuff they in fact attribute to their "TRA" enemies -- "A future where people aren't taught what their sex class is? A future with robot wombs where women have no biological purpose?" They get really heated over it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia
Tbh I've seen this take before that "TERFs" should really be called "TECFs" Back in the day it was fairly common for radical feminists to accuse other radical feminists of being "cultural feminists", which was a bad thing
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia
Being "feminist" in the sense of just being "pro-woman" in a sloppy way, taking any opportunity to just say "Go women! Boo men! Women are better than men!" without thinking about whether that gets to the root of anything in a helpful way
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia
Specifically "cultural feminism" often referred to falling into the trap of essentialist stereotyping, saying Men-Are-From-Mars-Women-Are-From-Venus shit that sounds affirming but ultimately upholds the status quo "Women don't commit violence, women aren't driven by status" etc
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The thing being you don't hear people saying "cultural feminist" anymore because unfortunately in the self-IDed "radical feminist" tradition we see today, the cultural feminists basically won All of that stuff is just accepted by the big TERF names as valid
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia
Hence their clique's total lack of pushback on the possible unintended consequences of the message of something like Invisible Women ("You have to have a separate study for women and for men, you can't just assume things that work for men work for women, we're DIFFERENT")
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