"Hey welcome back to the Joe Rogan Experience Now this is another one of the things the FDA doesn't want you to hear, but a lot of my listeners asked me to try out bonding to one of these alien symbiotes from the planet Klymtar, and I gotta say I am seeing REMARKABLE gains"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia and
It was also a lot less "gooey" initially, it acted more like The Flash's folded-up-in-a-ring-somehow suit or the Iron Man "Extremis" stuff and would slip on like a shadow or whatever. It was mostly supposed to be an excuse to make a costume that wasn't a pain in the ass to draw.
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Replying to @the_moviebob @autogynamelia and
Right, at the VERY beginning it literally wasn't anything more than a costume upgrade and all the other stuff is a retcon
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Replying to @arthur_affect @the_moviebob and
The Secret Wars retcon is so bananas because it's like if on some distant planet halfway across the galaxy you discovered a machine that dispensed Xenomorphs from a spigot
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @arthur_affect and
It's also worth noting that generally speaking, as I understand it, the Venom symbiote is usually envisioned as *actually quite nice for a symbiote*. It really wants to be friends, it wants to connect with people, it wants to help. Peter broke it a bit.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @Nymphomachy and
Yeah the whole dark thing was that as Black Spider-Man the symbiote was just trying to give him what he always wanted
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy and
Of course apparently since then they've gone real hog-wild with Symbiote Lore & now they are/were originally the redeemed remnants of a primordial God of pure malice & spite which might in turn be a fragment of the ultimate force of pure omnicidal evil & oh no I'm cross-eyed
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
(seriously, comics writers, I get that Mythos-style "the universe's most primal powers are of alien eldritch horror" is like nerd candy, but... it's so weird to do this with comics where they used to have an Eru Illuvatar figure.)
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Replying to @loudpenitent @Nymphomachy and
I mean it's not really new, primordial evil has always been a thing And the progenitor of Klyntar isn't the true ultimate god or anything, the whole point is he was defeated
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy and
I more just mean it's a strange segue to go from "the ultimate authority of the universe is the One Above All, the embodiment of good and love, who ensures heroism triumphs" to "the world began in darkness and primordial wickedness"
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The One Above All is just the writer, Jack Kirby, he made the world have cosmic darkness and chaos and whatnot because it makes a better story
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy and
I'm aware. Then they added the One Below All as an equal and opposite who ultimately devours everything including the OAA.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
That's the weird bit, the shift from "We have not!Eru who creates evil so that good may destroy it and triumph" to "not!Melkor is coeval with not!Eru as a power of despair and hate, and will ultimately destroy everything."
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