Venom, specifically, is a bad guy where you can say Spider-Man had some level of moral responsibility in causing him to exist Although part of the whole point of Eddie Brock as a character is his pathological refusal to take responsibility for his own actions
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
What's Spider-Man's moral responsibility for Venom?
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Replying to @autogynamelia @beetlefella101 and
It depends on how much you want to retcon the honestly bonkers origin story the Venom symbiote originally had from Secret Wars But in short, Peter did voluntarily accept the "black suit's" help and the powers it gave him, and chose to take it back to Earth
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia and
Arguably he should've been more careful about this and anticipated it was a bad idea And even though the whole point is the symbiote was fucking with his mind and his emotions the whole time, the original explanation was that the symbiote only uncovers impulses you already have
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia and
(Other versions have steadily retconned this, like in the Tom Hardy Venom movie the Venom symbiote is hyperintelligent and fully in control, but whatever)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia and
And when he resorts to desperate measures to get the black suit off he doesn't really think about the consequences and make sure that the symbiote is contained or destroyed, he lets it escape In the original version it only *really* turns evil because of the trauma of separation
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia and
It's psychically drawn to Eddie Brock and picks him as its new host because Eddie, like the symbiote, is completely emotionally dominated by resentment of Peter Parker and a belief that Peter Parker has everything he wants and *he should be Peter Parker*
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia and
Which is just a delightful layer cake of psychological baggage
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
IIRC Spider-Man didn't know that the costume was a life form when he brought it to Earth, because that wasn't established in Secret Wars, but by later writers on Spidey's own titles. He didn't know he was introducing an alien into our biosphere, so I don't lay that one on him.
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Replying to @autogynamelia @beetlefella101 and
Yes, the problem is this story itself is inconsistent, but the retconned version that people now think of as "Venom's origin story" usually says that the symbiote gives you this megalomaniacal feeling of unlimited power from the beginning and this is problematic
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I mean, Peter is, in theory, a scientist "Covering myself with this black goo makes me feel AWESOME" is the kind of thing he should theoretically ask more questions about before making it part of his lifestyle
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia and
"Hey welcome back to the Joe Rogan Experience Now this is another one of the things the FDA doesn't want you to hear, but a lot of my listeners asked me to try out bonding to one of these alien symbiotes from the planet Klymtar, and I gotta say I am seeing REMARKABLE gains"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia and
It was also a lot less "gooey" initially, it acted more like The Flash's folded-up-in-a-ring-somehow suit or the Iron Man "Extremis" stuff and would slip on like a shadow or whatever. It was mostly supposed to be an excuse to make a costume that wasn't a pain in the ass to draw.
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