I mean I don't think the idea that he actually causes more problems than he solves genuinely makes sense from a Watsonian POV
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Replying to @arthur_affect @chrysopoetics
I mean, in the MCU it's different, I think he's bad there bc he's Iron Man 2.0 with less oversight. In the PS4 game I've aired my strong objections. In everything else he seems very closely tied to all his villains (goblin, Ock, etc)
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I actually think the case that Spidey creates his villains is stronger than for most versions of Batman
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @chrysopoetics
That's really Doylist logic though, it's the horrible luck Spider-Man seems to have where everyone in his personal life gets touched by drama But mostly it's not actually his *fault*, like he didn't in any sense cause Norman Osborn to turn into the Green Goblin
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It’s only in the amazing spider-man 2 that he explicitly *causes* someone to turn evil. In every other case he’s, at worst, a catalyst.
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Yeah and even that wasn't really morally wrong per se, that was Spider-Man deciding to *not* participate in a mad science experiment likely to go horribly wrong, forcing Osborn to turn elsewhere
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
Venom, specifically, is a bad guy where you can say Spider-Man had some level of moral responsibility in causing him to exist Although part of the whole point of Eddie Brock as a character is his pathological refusal to take responsibility for his own actions
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
What's Spider-Man's moral responsibility for Venom?
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Replying to @autogynamelia @beetlefella101 and
It depends on how much you want to retcon the honestly bonkers origin story the Venom symbiote originally had from Secret Wars But in short, Peter did voluntarily accept the "black suit's" help and the powers it gave him, and chose to take it back to Earth
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia and
Arguably he should've been more careful about this and anticipated it was a bad idea And even though the whole point is the symbiote was fucking with his mind and his emotions the whole time, the original explanation was that the symbiote only uncovers impulses you already have
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(Other versions have steadily retconned this, like in the Tom Hardy Venom movie the Venom symbiote is hyperintelligent and fully in control, but whatever)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia and
And when he resorts to desperate measures to get the black suit off he doesn't really think about the consequences and make sure that the symbiote is contained or destroyed, he lets it escape In the original version it only *really* turns evil because of the trauma of separation
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia and
It's psychically drawn to Eddie Brock and picks him as its new host because Eddie, like the symbiote, is completely emotionally dominated by resentment of Peter Parker and a belief that Peter Parker has everything he wants and *he should be Peter Parker*
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