I dunno I feel like some people are so WEIRD (Western Educated Industrialized Rich Democracy) their sense of this shit is all fucked up Accusing Neil Druckmann of "late capitalist" brainwashing for believing that love requires hate, that revenge is human nature
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
That's not late capitalist at all It's, it's in the damn Bible, it's in the Iliad, it's the foundational principle on which ancient legal codes were constructed, it's as universal as universal gets
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
The idea that "love" is a universal thing that applies to all human beings in equal measure is the weird thing It's an ideal that pops up in very popular religions but, like, no one really acts like that In China Mohism was seen as impossible anti-humanistic idealism
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
In real life, there's people you love, and there's everyone else And actually loving the people you love means you spend your effort and energy thinking about their welfare and not the randos If a rando hurts them or kills them, love demands hate
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
The reason religions that preach against this are popular is this does inevitably lead to tragedy A feud starts, and nobody actually does anything wrong once the feud exists - indeed their actions reflect the depth of their love and the height of nobility - but everyone dies
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
But that tragedy is... hard to avoid, which is what makes it tragic The WLF and Seraphites' ability to offer hope and meaning and community to their people was intricately intertwined with the cultural values that also drove them to exterminate each other
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
I agree with you, but Issac and the Seraphite Elders are also responsible for the mutual genicide: the former for corrupting the Prophet’s teachings and the latter for a whole host of terrible decisions and policies. Leaders bear responsibility for their actions.
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do we ever actually learn the origin of the conflict? Presumably Isaac had a reason for killing the Prophet, even if it was an obviously terrible decision (cf. Abby saying "you turned a crazy person into a martyr")
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Honestly it seems like he reached the point where he felt any alternative social structure was a threat to him and the military discipline the WLF needed to survive Which isn't that unreasonable a thing to think
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Replying to @arthur_affect @patiencemosher and
I did like that beat with the note the FEDRA commander left him after they fled and the WLF won the initial uprising, basically just mocking his idealism You "liberated" Seattle just to put a new set of jackboots on the streets
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Which is very cynical but you know, history
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