CRITICS: "TLOU2 depicts an individualist apocalypse where everyone is out for themselves and LGBT people are particularly brutalized. No one seeks redemption." NARRATOR: "everyone in TLOU2 is in a collectivist society. No LGBT people die. It is literally all redemption arcs."
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Replying to @BootlegGirl
Neither the Wolves nor the Scars are the least bit "individualist" in the sense they mean (alienated American capitalism etc) Weirdly, people seem to think that a "collectivist" society means an inherently virtuous society, valuing the greater good of all humanity
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
And like lol no absolutely not If that's what a collectivist society is then there has never been one in the history of the world and there probably never will be In fact the very essence of collectivist societies is loyalty to your people and therefore distrust of foreigners
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
It is, very clearly, Abby's idiosyncratic decision to take in Yara and Lev that is the "individualist" act, leading as it does to betraying her orders to kill any Scar on sight, and causing her to become an isolated turncoat against her people
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
I dunno man this stuff seems very obvious to me but they'd probably yell at me about having a "colonized mindset" or whatever and say that white people invented xenophobia Trust me, no
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
People who put "family first" mean YOUR family, and that absolutely does mean, if necessary, fucking over other families Community first means YOUR community Country first means YOUR country This is ancient shit
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
In China they had a whole philosophical conundrum about how the worst possible thing a man could ever do was act against his own father in any way, and therefore what do you do if your father is a traitor to the Emperor The answer was turn him in and immediately kill yourself
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
If you didn't, then the state had to accept your information, arrest your father, then kill you for snitching on kin That's how this works
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
Joel shooting up the Firefly stronghold because Ellie is his daughter and all of these other people are strangers is ancient morality, many ancient thinkers wouldn't even see his decision as involving any conflict
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
I dunno I feel like some people are so WEIRD (Western Educated Industrialized Rich Democracy) their sense of this shit is all fucked up Accusing Neil Druckmann of "late capitalist" brainwashing for believing that love requires hate, that revenge is human nature
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That's not late capitalist at all It's, it's in the damn Bible, it's in the Iliad, it's the foundational principle on which ancient legal codes were constructed, it's as universal as universal gets
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
The idea that "love" is a universal thing that applies to all human beings in equal measure is the weird thing It's an ideal that pops up in very popular religions but, like, no one really acts like that In China Mohism was seen as impossible anti-humanistic idealism
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
In real life, there's people you love, and there's everyone else And actually loving the people you love means you spend your effort and energy thinking about their welfare and not the randos If a rando hurts them or kills them, love demands hate
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