The Coen Brothers are big fans of subverting Save the Cat cliches, hence stuff like the big shock of killing off the ostensible protagonist of No Country for Old Men
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl and
This is assuming that the primary means of enjoyment one gets is novelty though, and there's certainly an occupational hazard of (some) professional writers and creators wanting to do New Stuff or Quirky Stuff which satisfies their need for novelty but not necessarily an audience
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
I'm an audience. I need novelty
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and
I mean I would absolutely debate that, no offense.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and
Like the Game What Must Not Be Named Lest We Begin The Discourse Anew isn't novel in any way structurally or in its beats, it's basically standard prestige television. It is only novel in who gets to be the star. And that's not without worth! But it's not "novelty" in that sense
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and
Structurally it's following an extant tradition laid down by celebrated and often imitated precursors
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
Yeah but what you just said "except for" about is absolutely novelty. It's huge novelty. Immense.
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and
Not in the way that a professional creator or critic would necessarily see it though, that's my point.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and
The "novel" twist for that game would be like, breaking the idea of a protagonist entirely by having one of them die unceremoniously and without fanfare after turning a corner.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
I mean, I love that twist too, it's just not the one they did.
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It's not the MOST shocking way they could've done it but this is exactly how people received Joel meeting his end as an NPC in a cutscene
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
Yeah I was gonna bring that up but Penitent requested we not start "the discourse" on the game. But yeah
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and
I mean the big key dissonant moment for those people is that they can't process that Joel isn't the protagonist
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