TLoU 1 Joel would never have fallen for such an obvious trap, would never have let himself get surrounded like that, would never have carelessly let his real name slip Because TLoU 1 Joel was *aware that he was a shitty person who had made countless enemies*
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
And his constant paranoia and need to treat everyone like a potential enemy and hairtrigger fear driven instincts were badly wearing away at his soul He could barely stand living like that anymore, he and Tess needed to goad each other into sticking with the program constantly
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
Troy Baker IIRC said he was certain he was gonna nail the audition because he was certain he grasped something about Joel the other dudes who wanted to play him as an action movie badass didn't get Joel at the beginning of 1 is very, very close to giving up
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
The only thing he has that makes him not want to just lie down and let the spores get him is his relationship with Tess and even that is starting to wear thin She pokes hard at that sore spot when she screams "What do you know about 'us', about me"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
The ending of 1 is him deliberately choosing not to be that guy anymore, shedding that skin because he can't stand to wear it one more day His life in Jackson is about this desperate need to go back to being the decent guy he was pre-zombies and pretend that's who he always was
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
Which, tragically, is exactly why the scenario in 2 is inevitable The new Joel is no longer the "survivor" he used to be and that means he will not survive If not Abby's crew then some other chickens coming home to roost
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
I don't know if it's really that either though. You can take Joel, or Ellie, or Abby, or any other character in the games that could be tangentially described as 'main' and make arguments both for and against their behavior at nearly any point. "We contain multitudes", etc etc.
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Replying to @Mishyana @beetlefella101 and
My argument isn't really about whether Joel *deserves* to be killed so much as that he's *going* to be killed one way or another
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
Yes and no? He's only "going to be killed" in a world where you can ascribe a very polarized morality to his actions. In a world where there are definite Good Guys and Bad Guys and the Bad Guys always Get What's Coming To Them.
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Replying to @Mishyana @beetlefella101 and
Whether or not his actions were justified - and probably in a lot of cases they were and the people he antagonized were very very bad people, like David's crew - he has nonetheless objectively harmed a lot of people and made them very angry
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Like even with just the ending of TLoU 1, it kind of doesn't matter what your read on the moral choice there was Maybe Jerry was just a wannabe Dr Mengele but even evil Nazi doctors have family who aren't just gonna let it go if you execute them
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Mishyana and
(Honestly the less sympathetically you view the Fireflies the more inevitable the revenge narrative becomes Maybe they were just another crew of bandits who needed this mad dream of a cure to convince themselves they were something more than that)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Mishyana and
(Well you know what's worse than people who just accept that they're shitty people, as Tess puts it Shitty people who desperately need to believe they're heroes, then have that illusion rudely ripped away People react very, very badly to that)
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