A lot of fans get really mad at Joel and Tommy letting themselves get fucked over by Abby's crew, saying that the Joel we got to meet in TLoU 1 would never have been so trusting But I mean that's the point isn't it It's his own denial of the past that gets him
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
TLoU 1 Joel would never have fallen for such an obvious trap, would never have let himself get surrounded like that, would never have carelessly let his real name slip Because TLoU 1 Joel was *aware that he was a shitty person who had made countless enemies*
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
And his constant paranoia and need to treat everyone like a potential enemy and hairtrigger fear driven instincts were badly wearing away at his soul He could barely stand living like that anymore, he and Tess needed to goad each other into sticking with the program constantly
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
Troy Baker IIRC said he was certain he was gonna nail the audition because he was certain he grasped something about Joel the other dudes who wanted to play him as an action movie badass didn't get Joel at the beginning of 1 is very, very close to giving up
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
The only thing he has that makes him not want to just lie down and let the spores get him is his relationship with Tess and even that is starting to wear thin She pokes hard at that sore spot when she screams "What do you know about 'us', about me"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
The ending of 1 is him deliberately choosing not to be that guy anymore, shedding that skin because he can't stand to wear it one more day His life in Jackson is about this desperate need to go back to being the decent guy he was pre-zombies and pretend that's who he always was
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
Which, tragically, is exactly why the scenario in 2 is inevitable The new Joel is no longer the "survivor" he used to be and that means he will not survive If not Abby's crew then some other chickens coming home to roost
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
I don't know if it's really that either though. You can take Joel, or Ellie, or Abby, or any other character in the games that could be tangentially described as 'main' and make arguments both for and against their behavior at nearly any point. "We contain multitudes", etc etc.
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Replying to @Mishyana @beetlefella101 and
My argument isn't really about whether Joel *deserves* to be killed so much as that he's *going* to be killed one way or another
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Mishyana and
On some level it's pretty clear he knows it too, like his decision to stop living like a paranoid survivor and let his guard down was conscious He signals pretty strongly when Abby gets him that he's "not surprised, just disappointed"
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"Say whatever speech you have rehearsed and get this over with" Unfortunately his main miscalculation - or, really, what he was in denial about - was how this would affect Ellie's life after it happened
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