A lot of fans get really mad at Joel and Tommy letting themselves get fucked over by Abby's crew, saying that the Joel we got to meet in TLoU 1 would never have been so trusting But I mean that's the point isn't it It's his own denial of the past that gets him
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
TLoU 1 Joel would never have fallen for such an obvious trap, would never have let himself get surrounded like that, would never have carelessly let his real name slip Because TLoU 1 Joel was *aware that he was a shitty person who had made countless enemies*
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
And his constant paranoia and need to treat everyone like a potential enemy and hairtrigger fear driven instincts were badly wearing away at his soul He could barely stand living like that anymore, he and Tess needed to goad each other into sticking with the program constantly
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
Troy Baker IIRC said he was certain he was gonna nail the audition because he was certain he grasped something about Joel the other dudes who wanted to play him as an action movie badass didn't get Joel at the beginning of 1 is very, very close to giving up
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Which is also why he goes back to save Ellie, because if he lets her go he'll just fall back into being that paranoid asshole. You can even see his demeanor start to change at the start of the spring section.
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Right, there's a sense in which his decision to save Ellie is rational in a very bluntly, coldly selfish way If Marlene and Jerry do get their brave new world by sacrificing Ellie to make their vaccine... Joel will have no place in it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
Letting them take Ellie means permanently giving up on ever coming back from the kind of person he's become It means springtime for everyone else on Earth while his heart stays frozen and dead forever The thought of that is unbearable
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Replying to @arthur_affect @beetlefella101 and
The whole thing is that from Abby's POV she's right Joel getting his happy little utopia in Jackson that lasts for the 20 years or so he has left of life, while damning the world in the long run She feels the exact same way about him
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Which goes into the larger "stolen future" theme that I feel like absolutely zero people besides me are discussing, where both Abby and Ellie were told there was a future, they both feel betrayed, and so they both turn into the guy who felt there was no future
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and
There's probably some kind of metaphor we could draw to contemporary teens/young adults with bad politics, but I don't really want to go to there. And of course this read makes Jerry right about more or less everything, but everyone left alive thinks he was.
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Right, like there's a reading of the first game that says the right thing to do is for humans to stop struggling, accept that the spore zones are steadily encroaching across the landscape, and just make the best life they can in Jackson as long as they can
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl and
But, you know There are pretty obvious reasons why people aren't gonna be happy about that and this situation isn't gonna be stable
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