I guess my point is maybe somewhat personal too in that I actually fcking hate zombies, as a genre, and yet The Last of Us 2 and 1 are my number one and two games of all time, so there's some cognitive dissonance
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I don't hate zombies for ideological reasons though and I think a lot of those critiques are better applied to specific works. I just specifically find the idea of a mindless opponent that doesn't use tactics to be extremely boring for any sort of action-adventure
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Replying to @BootlegGirl
It’s fun in the context of mixing up the gameplay. You’ve got a co-ordinated faction of enemies to take down one minute, and then you’ve got fast-moving suicidal berserker mutants the next. It’s especially fun and engaging when the two meet up together
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I'm just saying, I think the real reason for "but we are the walking dead!" is that "we" are always more interesting than the walking dead Which TLOU has baked into the title - it's about "Us" not Them
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I was thinking about the idea of a TLoU prequel/midquel that takes place entirely in the very first years after the outbreak and collapse, sort of an origin story for Joel becoming the ruthless killer he is by TLoU 1 It would be called "The First of Them"
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It probably wouldn't be good though
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Replying to @arthur_affect @TinFoilHat13
I've discussed this with a friend who's also a big fan of the series, and we're of the opinion that you could do a Left Behind style DLC about whatever the fck Tommy was up to for most of Seattle which would have flashbacks to explain what made him and Joel so fcked up
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @TinFoilHat13
People keep forgetting, in the wake of all the eulogizing for him in 2, that Joel was such a horrible person that Tommy voluntarily cut all ties with him by the time 1 starts despite their blood relationship and everything they've been through
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Yeah and Tommy's monologue from 1 was why I was absolutely convinced Abby and friends were from something significantly viscerally worse that Joel did probably with Tommy, from significantly before the hospital, even though it was retroactively kind of obvious they were Fireflies
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Because like, Tommy isn't squeamish and never was. He's the guy who kills the first non-infected on screen (the soldier who shot Sarah). So if he thinks what Joel did "to survive" was bad, and he was ready to headshot a guy before the zombies, that implies... a lot
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1 makes it very clear that Joel is quite experienced at torturing people for information and then executing them and that for him this is basically routine 2 has Ellie trying to copy his "point to the spot on the map" shtick as the moment she really goes off the rails
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Replying to @arthur_affect @TinFoilHat13
Yup. That's why I insist the game doesn't say torture works, at least not for most people. Because for Ellie it then opposite of works, it gives the enemy intel
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