"Bad person" is a judgment you're applying to it, not me. I'm just saying if we don't even agree on whether such depictions are supposed to be "badass!" or "oh fuck, no, no, oh god" then we *cannot be said to be using the same vocabulary*
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and
Didn't
@chrysopoetics talk about feeling alienated because people just assumed the sadistic impulse wasn't a valid response to this conversation1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes -
Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
Not "I think there's artistic value in making the violence visceral so it will be unpleasant" but "I find the visceral violence pleasant" "If the enemies don't truly suffer when you kill them then what's the point of doing so"
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @arthur_affect and
(See also: I am honestly /still/ processing the various conversations I’ve had with other writers about their needing to, for personal comfort, make characters subject to violence be a minimum level of unlikable even though they weren’t going for comeuppance/“deserving it”/etc.)
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @arthur_affect and
With respect, Cyrus? I find that *scary as fuck*.
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @arthur_affect and
The part about active sadism for its own sake. *shrug*
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Replying to @loudpenitent @chrysopoetics and
Like, you just told someone you find them /frightening/ because of what they could think of in their head and potentially what you thought they wanted to do to fictional characters. Why does that frighten you?
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Replying to @OneiricCanid @chrysopoetics and
"I find the idea of someone screaming and suffering in anguish pleasant" IS an uncomfortable attitude for people who do not!
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I feel like gaming has always been a sort of fake safe space to explore that kink to an extent Like even with just the fucking Sims people will freely tell stories of the save files they used to torture their Sims to the greatest degree the game allowed them to
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
It's a space where you can explore it in the knowledge that your victims *aren't real* and *no-one is actually getting hurt*; that all the screaming and suffering is entirely simulated.
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Replying to @windhounded @arthur_affect and
There's a similar space in LARP, where roleplaying murder and torture and Being A Horrible Person is fun (from both ends) when you're roleplaying with people who also enjoy exploring that kind of topic. It stops being fun when someone starts out of character having a bad time.
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