At least I understand where this extremist take on Chu and yours part comes from now. You're extreme progressives to the point where you consider existence itself to be a violation of your right to autonomy.
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Replying to @spqtemple02 @Hi_Mike_Gorrie and
If God were real he should be put on trial for creating the universe, yes
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Hi_Mike_Gorrie and
Well I'm not a nihilist and luckily society isn't structured around a pathological hatred of the universe itself.
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Replying to @spqtemple02 @Hi_Mike_Gorrie and
Philosophically it really is one or the other extreme, the middle ground is not stable ground Either you owe your child a debt for bringing them into existence or they owe you a debt for having been brought into existence
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
The latter point of view is very very common -- it's God's argument in his own defense in the Book of Job, it's the basis of Confucian filial piety, and it leads to what Parfit called the Repugnant Conclusion NOTHING you do to a child can outweigh the fact they exist, right?
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
And it's precisely because I do find that Repugnant Conclusion so repugnant that I find it necessary to take refuge in its opposite, because the Repugnant Conclusion is everywhere in our society, even if in diluted and disguised forms Children DO NOT owe parents ANYTHING
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
The reason I think parents SHOULD wallow in guilt over bringing their children into the world is so they don't make kids wallow in guilt for having been brought into the world, which is monstrous If that means people just don't do it, fine
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Hi_Mike_Gorrie and
I'm not of the opinion that a child owes an abusive and neglectful parent any sort of debt just for being conceived. It's the love, care and dedication that a parent gives to their child while raising them that creates a sense of duty.
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Replying to @spqtemple02 @arthur_affect and
Hahahaha You say that as if kids aren’t raised with the default expectation of duty even by abusive or neglectful parents, and will spend years being guilted about it
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Replying to @redherringdraws @arthur_affect and
And here again you damn parenthood in general because some are abusive and manipulative.
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How many abusive parents is an acceptable percentage? What's the cutoff? My position that even one is too many might be extreme, but trust me, we are nowhere close to that reductio ad absurdum Even some number like "1%" is wildly optimistic
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
Because trauma is generational I’d wager that almost every parent is abusive/trauma inflicting in one way or another.
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Replying to @ShrimpMeatMom @arthur_affect and
Children with a parent who suffered abuse are more likely to suffer abuse... but people who have been abused are also more likely to end up in a relationship with an abuser, which is where most of the problem lies. Most abused people don't abuse their children.
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