It's extremist to ask "what does it really mean to cause a human being to exist" from the perspective of the hypothetical child? The one who's most affected by that choice? I wouldn't have even thought it was a political position
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Replying to @Hi_Mike_Gorrie @Includius and
It's extremist to put forward the idea, as Chu did, that existence itself is a crime for which God deserves to be punished.
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Replying to @spqtemple02 @Hi_Mike_Gorrie and
If there exists a hypothetical creator of the universes who set all things into motion according to their design then yes they are morally culpable for all the fucked up shit that happens as a result
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Replying to @Cybren @Hi_Mike_Gorrie and
What happened to you people that you all think life is only pain and suffering?!
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Replying to @spqtemple02 @Cybren and
Didn't you say you were only 23 or something? I dunno, use your imagination, read some books, I'm sure you can think of a couple possibilities
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
Anyway as others have pointed out, most notably David Benatar in his big antinatalist manifesto ("Better Never to Have Been"), it's really not about judging how good or bad life is on the whole It's about the asymmetry between help and harm
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
Most people think that there's something worse about causing suffering than just refraining from causing pleasure If I go out every day and flip a coin to see whether I give a stranger $100 or kick them hard in the stomach I'm not a morally "neutral" agent
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
If I just leave a stranger alone and do nothing to influence their life at all, that's more respectful of their life than if I kicked them in the crotch and then gave them $100 as compensation (without ever gaining their consent)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
(This was a Family Guy sketch, the reality show "Kicked in the Crotch", which is honestly a pretty good metaphor for life as a whole)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
I mean it's not that God would have to be held to account for creating the world because *my* life is bad I could be the happiest most fulfilled person in the world, and there could be millions of me, but none of that *justifies* the Holocaust, or the Middle Passage
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It doesn't even justify one single case of individual suffering It doesn't justify one person who lived in pain and fear and died alone The whole Omelas problem
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