It's impossible to ask ahead of time, and by the time that being is an adult it probably won't want to reverse the decision But the least you owe that being for that imposition is to make its well-being your number one priority
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Replying to @Hi_Mike_Gorrie @arthur_affect and
Being a dad eventually has always been part of my plan, so this ""quandary"" is something I have to take seriously If the time does come, if I'm not 100% sure that I could spend the rest of my life putting the kid/s first, effective immediately, then I just won't have kids.
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Replying to @Hi_Mike_Gorrie @arthur_affect and
By even thinking about that, you're probably doing better than most.
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Replying to @Includius @arthur_affect and
I appreciate that! But obviously I don't want to be complacent about it. Like "ah yeah, I've done the work, haha, we're good". No. The work is forever The fact is that I'm an abject mess of a person, and I'm not sure I'll ever be up to the standard I've set
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Replying to @Hi_Mike_Gorrie @Includius and
At least I understand where this extremist take on Chu and yours part comes from now. You're extreme progressives to the point where you consider existence itself to be a violation of your right to autonomy.
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Replying to @spqtemple02 @Includius and
It's extremist to ask "what does it really mean to cause a human being to exist" from the perspective of the hypothetical child? The one who's most affected by that choice? I wouldn't have even thought it was a political position
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Replying to @Hi_Mike_Gorrie @Includius and
It's extremist to put forward the idea, as Chu did, that existence itself is a crime for which God deserves to be punished.
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Replying to @spqtemple02 @Hi_Mike_Gorrie and
If there exists a hypothetical creator of the universes who set all things into motion according to their design then yes they are morally culpable for all the fucked up shit that happens as a result
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Replying to @Cybren @Hi_Mike_Gorrie and
What happened to you people that you all think life is only pain and suffering?!
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Replying to @spqtemple02 @Cybren and
Didn't you say you were only 23 or something? I dunno, use your imagination, read some books, I'm sure you can think of a couple possibilities
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Anyway as others have pointed out, most notably David Benatar in his big antinatalist manifesto ("Better Never to Have Been"), it's really not about judging how good or bad life is on the whole It's about the asymmetry between help and harm
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
Most people think that there's something worse about causing suffering than just refraining from causing pleasure If I go out every day and flip a coin to see whether I give a stranger $100 or kick them hard in the stomach I'm not a morally "neutral" agent
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
If I just leave a stranger alone and do nothing to influence their life at all, that's more respectful of their life than if I kicked them in the crotch and then gave them $100 as compensation (without ever gaining their consent)
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