This is the world's biggest possible consent issue IMO At least in a world where contraception is readily available, to steal a living, breathing, thinking being from the void and force it to exist is inherently a choice that is imposed on that being, by its parents
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Replying to @Hi_Mike_Gorrie @arthur_affect and
It's impossible to ask ahead of time, and by the time that being is an adult it probably won't want to reverse the decision But the least you owe that being for that imposition is to make its well-being your number one priority
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Replying to @Hi_Mike_Gorrie @arthur_affect and
Being a dad eventually has always been part of my plan, so this ""quandary"" is something I have to take seriously If the time does come, if I'm not 100% sure that I could spend the rest of my life putting the kid/s first, effective immediately, then I just won't have kids.
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Replying to @Hi_Mike_Gorrie @arthur_affect and
By even thinking about that, you're probably doing better than most.
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Replying to @Includius @arthur_affect and
I appreciate that! But obviously I don't want to be complacent about it. Like "ah yeah, I've done the work, haha, we're good". No. The work is forever The fact is that I'm an abject mess of a person, and I'm not sure I'll ever be up to the standard I've set
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Replying to @Hi_Mike_Gorrie @Includius and
At least I understand where this extremist take on Chu and yours part comes from now. You're extreme progressives to the point where you consider existence itself to be a violation of your right to autonomy.
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Replying to @spqtemple02 @Hi_Mike_Gorrie and
If God were real he should be put on trial for creating the universe, yes
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Hi_Mike_Gorrie and
Well I'm not a nihilist and luckily society isn't structured around a pathological hatred of the universe itself.
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Replying to @spqtemple02 @Hi_Mike_Gorrie and
Philosophically it really is one or the other extreme, the middle ground is not stable ground Either you owe your child a debt for bringing them into existence or they owe you a debt for having been brought into existence
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
The latter point of view is very very common -- it's God's argument in his own defense in the Book of Job, it's the basis of Confucian filial piety, and it leads to what Parfit called the Repugnant Conclusion NOTHING you do to a child can outweigh the fact they exist, right?
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And it's precisely because I do find that Repugnant Conclusion so repugnant that I find it necessary to take refuge in its opposite, because the Repugnant Conclusion is everywhere in our society, even if in diluted and disguised forms Children DO NOT owe parents ANYTHING
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
The reason I think parents SHOULD wallow in guilt over bringing their children into the world is so they don't make kids wallow in guilt for having been brought into the world, which is monstrous If that means people just don't do it, fine
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