i'm not in favor of the creche thing either but i feel like it would not be worse then some of the situations out there
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Replying to @ianbobmorris @arthur_affect and
My main problem is we don't have super good data on it (that I know of, please send me some). If it works better, then let's get rid of be nuclear family (which is already usually toxic) and implement a new system.
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Replying to @Includius @ianbobmorris and
In what universe would that ever happen? People aren't just going to surrender their children to the state and all attempts have shown that you can't convince large populations of your creche ideal.
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Replying to @spqtemple02 @Includius and
Ah, so we've switched over from the question of what *should* happen to what we can realistically expect to happen Of course I don't realistically expect parents to surrender power -- I don't expect anyone who has power to surrender it without a fight
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
I do think that, as a society, the demographic transition and a smaller percentage of our population being parents is both a reflection of increased standards for parents and makes it easier for adults to take a moral stance limiting parental power, as a feedback loop
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Includius and
I don't think it's so much increased standards for parents as an increase in socially acceptable life choices that don't involve building a traditional family with kids.
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Replying to @spqtemple02 @Includius and
No, it's both It's pretty obvious that one reason people are "intimidated" by having kids today and opt out of it is the perception that if you don't do everything possible to give your kids the best possible life you are a bad person for having them
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
Conservatives think this is in itself a social problem and try to push back on it Bryan Caplan's "Selfish Reasons to Have More Kids" was a book that famously took the stance that parents should give themselves a break, that parents are too hard on themselves
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
"You've already done the most important thing, you've given the child the gift of existence in the first place As long as you meet your other obligations at a basic level you should view bringing them into the world as a wholly positive thing" I hate this mindset passionately
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
I strongly believe that the idea of parenting SHOULD be intimidating, that a parent who falls short of giving their child the best possible childhood IS culpable for doing them a great harm, and therefore far, far fewer people should be parents
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And that this social trend conservatives hate is ultimately a positive thing Not the specter of "The Welfare coming to grab your kids" but "intimidated" parents steadily surrendering authority to experts and institutions who can do a better job than they can
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Replying to @arthur_affect @spqtemple02 and
If only I could be so confident in our experts and institutions. Some of the experts are pretty great, actually, but they are often not the ones our institutions choose to listen to.
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Replying to @Jesin00 @arthur_affect and
This is why data is super important. Also, if the institution doesn't work and can't be reformed, let's burn it to the ground and rebuild. If the foundation is rotten, you to rebuild it completely
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