The woman writing it identifies as a "Catholic feminist" and her overall argument seems to be pretty pro-uwu so frankly I'm tossing it in the trash and blocking her
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @segfaultvicta
it's hard to evaluate her thread since it's pretty lacking in concrete examples but then, if the real conclusion isn't "there must be a happy ending," if it's just "i prefer it when creators take their work seriously and create good stories," then that's nearly a tautology
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Replying to @perdricof @BootlegGirl
"people should write stuff that emotionally satisfies someone, somewhere, even themselves" is -fairly- so-obvious-as-to-state-nothing except that it relies on a concept of 'emotional satisfaction' that I feel like I can make hay out of somehow
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I'm trying to grapple with her meaning; I'm having trouble thinking of concrete examples of "deliberately emotionally unsatisfying to the audience" from TV/movies/games but it is something that comes up regularly in opera staging, probably other live theatre as well
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Replying to @patiencemosher @segfaultvicta and
like, Eurotrash opera/Regietheater is alllllll about il faut épater les bourgeois and yes, I personally hate it even though it often gets great reviews from critics I do not agree with even a tiny little bit
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Replying to @patiencemosher @segfaultvicta and
Rejecting the Greek principles of mimesis and catharsis as unhelpful to making revolutionary art was the whole Brechtian project
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Replying to @arthur_affect @patiencemosher and
Yeah, and frankly screw revolutionary art I just wanna fcking feel something. I wanna fcking relate to the miserable characters on screen But I don't get to have that. Lesbian and trans representation is disposable in the pursuit of purity
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and
It's probably a totally base thing to reference, but Pixar made an entire film just five years ago who's central thesis was "It's good to feel sad when it's time to be sad, let people feel that way, try to relate to their sadness, please." Why is "I want to feel" so hard???
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Replying to @TheBrianMcNatt @BootlegGirl and
Lol you could totally do a Brechtian analysis on Inside Out about why Inside Out is about the lie of catharsis (Sadness ends up only being the vehicle to bring Joy back - the point of the movie is Riley is *wrong* to take drastic steps to change her situation)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @TheBrianMcNatt and
And you could argue that if you really do want to start a revolution, then that numbed state of cold brokenness - Sadness and Joy are gone, Fear and Disgust let Anger take the wheel and do something fucking crazy just to feel SOMETHING - is desirable and to be encouraged
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A lot of revolutionary agitprop is about denying the catharsis of empathy, of your pain being seen Inside Out's ending with Riley's Sadness unlocking the corresponding emotion in her parents and letting them unite in a group hug
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Replying to @arthur_affect @TheBrianMcNatt and
You want to start some shit, the theory goes, you do the opposite, you show them horrible things happening to innocent people they identify with with *no resolution*, either material or emotional You let Nelson kick Bart's ass and then dwell on his jeering "HAW HAW"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @TheBrianMcNatt and
what i'm hearing here is that 2020 is revolutionary agitprop
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