To be fair, one can also legitimately question whether they were ACTUALLY going to find anything useful vivisecting Ellie (and whether they were *actually* going to ask for her consent). It's more like a trolley problem where you can only see what's on one set of tracks.
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They were never going to ask for her consent, she was unconscious and they were going to kill her before she could wake up
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Felgraf_Physics and
Like the thing is both Joel and Marlene understand that asking a 14-year-old for consent in this situation, one way or another, is grotesque It's why Joel deliberately chooses to lie to Ellie about what happened, for the rest of her life if need be
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Oh, I agree. It might have been slightly less fucked up to let her grow up to 18, then ask, but that's still. Screwed. But it's an interesting trolley-problem variant, because... we don't know they'd have found *anything* useful.
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They had a sample size of 1. No one else like her to compare her to. Unless she had 1, and *ONLY* one unique thing about her brain structure (and how on earth could they replicate it? Give other people different brain structures?...?), then..--well.
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Replying to @Felgraf_Physics @arthur_affect and
It's "Kid tied to one track, MAYBE people tied to the other."
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Leaving it ambiguous whether a cure would've been possible at all makes the ending of TLoU 1 go down easier but makes it harder to make the guilt-and-recrimination cycle in TLoU 2 work, which is I why I think of this as something they basically retconned
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Felgraf_Physics and
Jerry wasn't really a character in TLoU 1 at all and when they created him in TLoU 2 they did their best to make us think he knows what he's talking about and he's sincere (although, sure, you can think he's a delusional narcissistic Dr. Mengele if that works better for you)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Felgraf_Physics and
Anyway I kind of think arguing about real-life medicine and biology takes us pretty far afield ("You can do brain biopsies irl without harming the patient!") You can't get too far into that without confronting how the zombie plague doesn't make sense in the first place
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Felgraf_Physics and
(Anyway while we're getting Thermian about it, TLoU did justify it to some degree They're pretty sure the only way to make a vaccine is to study the fungus itself, which is in Ellie's brain but somehow in a "neutralized" state, and which they can't sample without killing her)
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(We can take it as read from Jerry's notes etc in TLoU 2 that the idea of finding antibodies in Ellie's blood or whatever is a dead end And this fact is common knowledge enough that Joel immediately accepts it as true when Marlene tells him)
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That makes more sense, and if they further build on that in TLOU2, then yeah, it is more a classic trolley problem again!
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