Oh if you're just saying you're pro-Ellie that's not that hot a take One reason TLoU 2 is so upsetting to people is that it forces you to actually play as Abby yourself, which means *no matter what* the game must end with you "failing"
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Yeah see from everything I keep hearing about Abby, if TLOU2 were a tabletop RPG my character would not simply kill her but kill her in the most sadistic and tortuous way possible because I have seen inside her heart and determined I want to cut it out
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @arthur_affect
That's pretty much what Abby does to Joel, ha.
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Replying to @LususNaturae0 @arthur_affect
Well yeah but she has top-tier pissbaby motivation for it
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @LususNaturae0
I mean he killed her dad and burned down their whole community
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Replying to @arthur_affect @LususNaturae0
Weren't they gonna lobotomize a little girl
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @LususNaturae0
No, lobotomizing her would be cruel, they were going to kill her and cut her brain to pieces
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Replying to @arthur_affect @LususNaturae0
Yeah I mean to be clear if I were Max Caulfield and somebody tried to get revenge on me for Arcadia Bay I would eviscerate them and feel fucking fantastic about it
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @LususNaturae0
Yeah well I mean I hate to get all trolley-problem-y but the whole point of TLoU 2 is to make you reckon with that shit It's a lot easier to say "I only care about my daughter and fuck the rest of the world" when "the rest of the world" is an amorphous abstract blob
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TLoU 2 just shoves it in your face that "the rest of the world" includes, say, a homeless trans teen who has no idea what happened in the last game
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Which is why the idea that including Lev in the game is somehow unfair or manipulative is kind of silly I mean what if Abby had never met him that means no one like him exists in the whole world
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Replying to @arthur_affect @LususNaturae0
Yeah I mean it's not even a GOOD manipulation because I've been in this discourse long enough that you can't expect me to warm up to someone on the basis of their transness alone
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There are ways in which video games are particularly *bad* at making me care about someone, especially when their vulnerability makes the game harder.
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