The idea that *both* Joel and the Fireflies needed to die (and, I guess, Ellie as well) is... a take
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TLoU 2 just shoves it in your face that "the rest of the world" includes, say, a homeless trans teen who has no idea what happened in the last game
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Which is why the idea that including Lev in the game is somehow unfair or manipulative is kind of silly I mean what if Abby had never met him that means no one like him exists in the whole world
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To be fair, one can also legitimately question whether they were ACTUALLY going to find anything useful vivisecting Ellie (and whether they were *actually* going to ask for her consent). It's more like a trolley problem where you can only see what's on one set of tracks.
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They were never going to ask for her consent, she was unconscious and they were going to kill her before she could wake up
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