I'm talking from Ellie's perspective here (who doesn't really get a say in Joel's death iirc?)
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Replying to @Nymphomachy
Oh if you're just saying you're pro-Ellie that's not that hot a take One reason TLoU 2 is so upsetting to people is that it forces you to actually play as Abby yourself, which means *no matter what* the game must end with you "failing"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
Like it's kind of a slap in the face to simple identification The whole idea of playing as Abby is it shoves the arbitrariness of "playing as" somebody in your face, it makes it super clear you're just an actor in the show
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
There's no way for you the player to decide that you "really are" Ellie and are on Ellie's side and therefore the moment Abby becomes a character under your control a mysterious force makes her jump off a cliff
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
I mean you can tho, you can just die as Abby and leave the game off
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Replying to @Cybren @Nymphomachy
Creating a time paradox, since this happens several days before the previous scene where Ellie fights her
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Yeah, I mean, that's the even bigger problem, because it's not a time-travel thing, it's just a flashback. The events you're playing through are not only unchangeable, they've *already happened*.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @arthur_affect and
I think this is fine overall; it's just a mistake generally to see the narrative possibilities of video games as relying on player choices.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @arthur_affect and
Because even in games with strikingly different endings depending on in-game choices, you're not really creating anything. You're just going through a few different cuts of the same story.
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Yeah the degree to which "linearity" bothers you I think really depends on the degree to which you were previously aware that "interactivity" was always a magician's choice in the first place Like at this point I'm extremely cynical about the idea of "You are your character"
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I mean Undertale still really only has three endings and the way those endings work is still pretty arbitrary There were people who were pretty pissed that the "good" ending still has no way to directly hold Asgore and Alphys accountable for their objectively horrific crimes
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