Like I reject your premises that these characters are doing acceptable things. That they're likeable or that I owe them anything. You didn't adequately make the case to me that the world you've envisioned deserves anything from the character I made other than her disdain.
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Like why the fuck would I let Alistair—or any of these characters with worldviews that border on offensive—throw a tantrum at me when the world's at stake, and go unpunished? No, screw that. I'm gonna fuck them up. Maybe you meant for that to make me feel evil. It did not.
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Because, the devs were the ones who set up these bullshit stakes to begin with, right? They're the ones who decided to set in stone the things they set in stone. You can't make the Wardens NOT force-conscript you. You can't make mages NOT be oppressed. So you take what you get.
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If your characters are not going to be nice to me, I dunno why you'd have this expectation that I would conduct myself by your own moral code. Far from it, I will meticulously chase down every teensy weensy bit of slack you left me and use it to tear the whole narrative apart
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Anyway I got to thinking about this because of what I've heard about The Last Of Us Part 2. I'm given to understand these games are linear and cinematic (I wanted to try the first one but it's not on Steam so welp), and therefore makes your protagonist behave in dissonant ways
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And like I have not heard of a single character in this game that, in the role of a protagonist, I would feel the slightest qualm about unceremoniously mowing down. And I mean that literally. Not. A single. Character.
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Replying to @Nymphomachy
The idea that *both* Joel and the Fireflies needed to die (and, I guess, Ellie as well) is... a take
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I'm talking from Ellie's perspective here (who doesn't really get a say in Joel's death iirc?)
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Oh if you're just saying you're pro-Ellie that's not that hot a take One reason TLoU 2 is so upsetting to people is that it forces you to actually play as Abby yourself, which means *no matter what* the game must end with you "failing"
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Like it's kind of a slap in the face to simple identification The whole idea of playing as Abby is it shoves the arbitrariness of "playing as" somebody in your face, it makes it super clear you're just an actor in the show
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There's no way for you the player to decide that you "really are" Ellie and are on Ellie's side and therefore the moment Abby becomes a character under your control a mysterious force makes her jump off a cliff
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
I mean you can tho, you can just die as Abby and leave the game off
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If we wanna get into some The Forge ass rpg theory I’m switching to Author stance
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