No, in regards to Abby vs Ellie's *actions*
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and
I mean, they both tortured people, but Ellie is the only one that tortured someone that didn't actually do anything to her. But the whole point of the story is that neither of them are irredeemable monsters that deserve to die, nor are either of them perfect.
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Replying to @SpaceCowboy207 @BootlegGirl and
There's no getting around the fact that Abby betrayed, tortured and murdered someone who saved her life.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and
You wanted her to immediately and completely forgive the person that murdered her dad just because he pulled her away from some zombies one time?
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Replying to @SpaceCowboy207 @BootlegGirl and
Considering she would have otherwise absolutely 100% died, yeah, betrayal is a Bad Deed. Doesn't mean it's not understandable, just that it's contemptible nonetheless.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and
Dude, you cannot genuinely tell me that Abby “betrayed” Joel. They knew each other for like 10 minutes. And yes, her murder of Joel was obviously bad, just like Joel’s murder of her dad was bad. That’s like the whole point.
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Replying to @SpaceCowboy207 @BootlegGirl and
"Knowing that I am only alive because this man saved my life for no gain of his own and explicitly offered me and my friends shelter, I then led him to his torture and death." That is WAY THE FUCK WORSE than "you killed my dad while rescuing a girl whom he was about to murder"
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and
Joel also prevented the creation of a cure, presumably killing thousands upon thousands of people. Trying to weigh morality to make judgements on people is exactly what this game is arguing against. Because if you do that, Ellie and Tommy are WAY THE FUCK WORSE than Abby.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @SpaceCowboy207 and
Rejecting consequentialism is somewhat more complicated than just accepting the consequences you can easily see and ignoring the ones that you can't
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Joel betrayed people too, if we're going by pure code of honor deontology He absolutely broke faith with the Fireflies and went against his word to them
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
the thing about code of honor deontologies is that they occasionally (frequently) have the result that both parties to a conflict are acting rightly!!! they're not about the purity of soul or motive, they're about what acts license what responses
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Replying to @perdricof @arthur_affect and
so, joel did a real awful series of wrongs--forswore an oath, then *murdered those he swore to serve* abby had license to kill him regardless of whether he saved her life later forgiveness isn't his to buy
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