Excuse me, Mr. "I will literally rather destroy the entire ship for the Cold Equations"?
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Replying to @loudpenitent @Mishyana and
I'm not saying Joel's decision was wrong, or Ellie's Everyone's decisions were morally correct, and led to devastation and ruin, that's the nature of a tragedy
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
The whole thing with refusing to let a tragedy be a tragedy is picking sides, being like "Well if one of them had just admitted they were the asshole this could've been avoided"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
Joel absolutely will not sacrifice his daughter's future for anyone else Neither will Jerry They are, in this respect, the same They just have different daughters That's where the tragedy comes from
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
Yeah, Jerry in fact rushes to operate BECAUSE a single day of delay could be the day that Abbie gets "ripped to pieces by a pack of clickers." He does it FOR Abby, more than anything.
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Replying to @TellerGrim @arthur_affect and
Yeah I don't buy that. And even if that is the case, it's still "murder a defenseless teenage girl so that MY daughter can maybe live in peace."
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Replying to @loudpenitent @TellerGrim and
Well, yeah, that's also Joel's morality, they're not different
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Replying to @arthur_affect @TellerGrim and
Joel kills adults. This is significant.
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Replying to @arthur_affect @TellerGrim and
Oh come on, now you're just trying to throw more badfaith bothsides shit at me.
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We are given no indication at any point that Joel's big problem with the Fireflies is the moral line around Ellie's age, or her inability to consent
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Replying to @arthur_affect @TellerGrim and
No, I'm saying that as an audience it is significant *to me* in its relative depictions of the respective actors.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @TellerGrim and
Okay but to the extent this is a meaningful difference it's kind of cheating It's not a genuine difference between the two men morally, it's just a matter of the situations they've been placed in
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