She sure as hell doesn't see it that way.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
We don't know that. She's still having PTSD flashbacks months after killing Joel. She knows that didn't fix what bothered her
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and
That's more, I think, because the story is taking the position vengeance is inherently unjustified and useless, not because Abby holds herself responsible. She transparently doesn't. Abby thinks she is entirely justified and her dad was just a murdered saint.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and
I don’t think this is what the story was arguing at all. I think it was saying Abby was *just as* justified in her vengeance as Ellie was hers. I don’t think it was really giving a moral pass to either ‘side’. But that doesn’t change the final calculations or tangential damage.
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Replying to @Mishyana @loudpenitent and
It all comes down to the original trolley problem and whether you yourself think the possibility of a vaccine makes Jerry a hero or a murderer (And if the utilitarian calculus does mean his actions are justified then how smug or humble he is about it doesn't actually matter)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Mishyana and
I mean at that point we hit the obvious and extremely reasonable criticisms in light of "real" ethics. Such as: "Why the fuck are you in such a hurry instead of slowly studying ethically over a period of years?" or "so how are you gonna manufacture & distribute this?"
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
Like the way Jerry talks about it to Marlene honestly just further reinforces my personal belief that the vaccine is just an obsessive idol, a Way To Make It All Worth It. He explicitly says "if we make the vaccine all our losses, sacrifices and misdeeds will be worth it."
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Replying to @loudpenitent @Mishyana and
No, I get it If you genuinely seriously think that you must commit an atrocity for the greater good then you've got to rip that bandaid off NOW or else your resolve will falter You have to commit at the moment you decide or else you've already really made the other choice
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
"If it were done 'tis done, then 'twere well 'tis done quickly", as Macbeth said Jerry isn't going to wait for three years while running tests on Ellie and also getting to know her personality and hopes and dreams He isn't even going to wait for her to wake up
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
*"If it were done WHEN 'tis done, then 'twere well 'tis done quickly" I.e. either do it or don't, doing it won't get any less bad if you spend all day feeling bad about doing it and then do it anyway
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"Do or do not," as Yoda said, and as his student Luke should've remembered before beginning his nighttime habit of creepily hovering over his nephew's bedside with his lightsaber in his hand
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Mishyana and
I will say a big part of why some people are so mad about this is transparently because for the last few years we've been having a big ol' insipid depressionfest of "serious" media.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
Straight, cishet serious media.
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