I generally agree but in slight fairness he never actually answers if he would have done the procedure if Abby was immune
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @loudpenitent and
It's significant that Abby "saves" him in this scene, that his uncomfortable silence is interrupted by her barging in and telling him that she'd volunteer if she could She lets it go ahead by giving him permission
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
Right which means from her POV at least she possibly caused her dad's death
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and
She sure as hell doesn't see it that way.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
We don't know that. She's still having PTSD flashbacks months after killing Joel. She knows that didn't fix what bothered her
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and
That's more, I think, because the story is taking the position vengeance is inherently unjustified and useless, not because Abby holds herself responsible. She transparently doesn't. Abby thinks she is entirely justified and her dad was just a murdered saint.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and
I don’t think this is what the story was arguing at all. I think it was saying Abby was *just as* justified in her vengeance as Ellie was hers. I don’t think it was really giving a moral pass to either ‘side’. But that doesn’t change the final calculations or tangential damage.
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Replying to @Mishyana @loudpenitent and
It all comes down to the original trolley problem and whether you yourself think the possibility of a vaccine makes Jerry a hero or a murderer (And if the utilitarian calculus does mean his actions are justified then how smug or humble he is about it doesn't actually matter)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Mishyana and
I mean at that point we hit the obvious and extremely reasonable criticisms in light of "real" ethics. Such as: "Why the fuck are you in such a hurry instead of slowly studying ethically over a period of years?" or "so how are you gonna manufacture & distribute this?"
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
Like the way Jerry talks about it to Marlene honestly just further reinforces my personal belief that the vaccine is just an obsessive idol, a Way To Make It All Worth It. He explicitly says "if we make the vaccine all our losses, sacrifices and misdeeds will be worth it."
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No, I get it If you genuinely seriously think that you must commit an atrocity for the greater good then you've got to rip that bandaid off NOW or else your resolve will falter You have to commit at the moment you decide or else you've already really made the other choice
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
"If it were done 'tis done, then 'twere well 'tis done quickly", as Macbeth said Jerry isn't going to wait for three years while running tests on Ellie and also getting to know her personality and hopes and dreams He isn't even going to wait for her to wake up
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Mishyana and
But, and this is important, *that's not how fucking medical ethics works*.
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