I mean, pretty transparently. At the very least it's self-aggrandizing "cold equations" shit, and going off his notes in the flashback sequence in Ellie's side of things he was 100% on board with envisioning himself as a history-shaping hero for doing so.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
like seriously, fuck Jerry, the dude's manipulative all-American-dad coding doesn't erase that he was a-ok with murdering a teenage girl as long as it wasn't HIS teenage girl.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
I generally agree but in slight fairness he never actually answers if he would have done the procedure if Abby was immune
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @loudpenitent and
It's significant that Abby "saves" him in this scene, that his uncomfortable silence is interrupted by her barging in and telling him that she'd volunteer if she could She lets it go ahead by giving him permission
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
Right which means from her POV at least she possibly caused her dad's death
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and
She sure as hell doesn't see it that way.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
We don't know that. She's still having PTSD flashbacks months after killing Joel. She knows that didn't fix what bothered her
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and
That's more, I think, because the story is taking the position vengeance is inherently unjustified and useless, not because Abby holds herself responsible. She transparently doesn't. Abby thinks she is entirely justified and her dad was just a murdered saint.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and
I don’t think this is what the story was arguing at all. I think it was saying Abby was *just as* justified in her vengeance as Ellie was hers. I don’t think it was really giving a moral pass to either ‘side’. But that doesn’t change the final calculations or tangential damage.
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Replying to @Mishyana @loudpenitent and
It all comes down to the original trolley problem and whether you yourself think the possibility of a vaccine makes Jerry a hero or a murderer (And if the utilitarian calculus does mean his actions are justified then how smug or humble he is about it doesn't actually matter)
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Like, litigating whether he was a jerk about it is irrelevant really If the right thing to do is to do it then of course he's going to try to pump himself up over it so that he actually goes through with it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Mishyana and
If it's wrong then all the crying and sadness and regretful hesitation in the world wouldn't make it any less wrong
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Mishyana and
Except it can be a valuable way to study his actual motivations, and - beyond the purely utilitarian considerations - to assess whether he's emotionally compromised and blinded himself to the facts.
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