fair enough the discussions around the trans character seem really bizarre to me but i suspect i'm never going to learn the exact details
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Replying to @jmatonak @BootlegGirl
honestly, real talk, queerness is not actually plot-shaping for the game beyond *prejudice against queer people*.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @jmatonak
I don't know if (and please read this in a not hostile tone, I'm writing it sympathetically but it's a generalization so it sounds bad) cis people can really understand that queerness existing explicitly shapes narratives just by being there, like gravity or something
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I mean first of all, with Ellie, she kisses a girl, she writes in her diary about kissing another girl, she checks out gay porn, she has an awkward moment when her dad thinks she's straight. those things are all part of the queer experience.
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @jmatonak
What I mean is that neither Ellie nor Lev are particularly associated with what one might call "queer culture." They are rugged outdoorsy rural-ish types (bc of the nature of their worlds) who are not cishet.
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counterpoint, being a rugged outdoorsy lesbian is totally queer culture
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I cannot make a statement here. I'm just saying like, when folks are all "we're healers! we're better than this!" they're ignoring that Ellie (and Abby) *are not culturally "us"*
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You're actually hitting the nail on the head as to why these critiques bug me They're predominately coming from people with the geographic luck and temperament to be queer in places queers flock to. I didn't get that.
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @loudpenitent and
So I relate far more to a rugged, outdoorsy lesbian than to a lesbian who was born, raised, and remains living in a comfortable West coast city, comfortable enough to split hairs about representation
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @loudpenitent and
Put another way, if I actually went to real world Seattle I would be the kind of person the local queers would, in social terms, view as a "trespasser" and metaphorically "shoot on sight." Because they're not "better than this."
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I feel like this is weirdly something we used to be more comfortable talking about, like I've seen tons of stuff from the 80s and 90s about both dramatic and comic fish-out-of-water country mouse stories in the gay community
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl and
it doesn't get talked about much but there's a strong strain of respectability politics in queer Discourse "we don't air our dirty laundry in front of the straights because they will use it to attack us" but online everything is public so we just never talk of these things
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Replying to @perdricof @arthur_affect and
like the thing where domestic abuse in queer relationships is a real thing that really happens, to take just one really important example
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