I mean, no, because she's under extreme stress and trauma. Which Dr. Anderson was not. (again, I find killing Abby's dad in 1 quite satisfying!) But it still puts her in a situation where I wouldn't judge Abby's protective instinct too harshly if she didn't trust Ellie's mercy
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Replying to @BootlegGirl
I would! Because it's ultimately selfish. Abby does not *deserve* life from Ellie, at that point. She *gets* it, but she does not *deserve* it.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl
So now we're talking about grace, huh?
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Replying to @mssilverstein @BootlegGirl
"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment." One can acknowledge that Ellie is giving Abby a *gift* of unearned mercy, and still also say mercy is preferable.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl
Yeah - I mean, 'what Abby deserves' vs. "what Ellie should do" are not necessarily congruent.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @BootlegGirl
Exactly! Abby still *DESERVES*, at Ellie's hands, exactly the same cruel violence she gleefully dealt out to others. Ellie doesn't do so, and that is a laudable and praiseworthy act, but that doesn't change that Abby continuing to breathe is an unearned gift.
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Like that's how cycles of revenge *work* - they are fueled by what someone "deserves" at the hands of the wronged party. And that's what I meant when I said I can understand why people are irritated - Abby comes out of things way better despite having started the whole cycle.
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Which is why I compare the game to Unforgiven "Deserve's got nothing to do with it"
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I guess this just underscores how controversial the ending of the first game is because the whole "Who started it?" question is central to where your sympathies lie in TLoU2
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I mean I think even if I believed Joel was wrong I would believe Abby also had one of the weakest cases of anyone to go that hard in her revenge, given that she was avenging someone who was de facto a combatant(carries a rifle normally) and about to kill someone EVEN IF JUSTIFIED
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It would feel less justified but probably be easier to justify philosophically if it were really the whole world she were avenging, if she just felt very strongly that a vaccine would've worked, rather than it being "personal" in this sense
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Well I think that's what the rest of the group largely felt. Definitely Owen, who was an idealist. Probably Mel too, whose connection to Jerry seems to have been as a student. That's why they think Abby was incredibly excessive and reading btwn the lines just wanted Joel shot
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